Jackson Heidesch 8:42 two mile

i can't be a fan after that. punching is really bad but Heidesch's push was the most egregious I've ever seen in a race.

can someone post the video?

Cole Decker, Jason Thomas, Ryan Schweizer off the top of my head. Decker ran sub-9 in HS and “only” 14:11/29:31 running D3 - not a great improvement, but it’s unfair to claim he “flamed out,” since he may have prioritized school, and he never had close to the speed Heidesch has. Thomas quit or was cut from the ISU squads but continues to be a solid road runner, showing that at least if he’s “flamed out” it doesn’t mean he’s become an overweight alcoholic or something. Ryan Schweizer ran fairly comparable times in college as high school, just slightly faster - 1:50.1/3:46/4:08. And then the most recent stud graduate is Carmody, the 13:27 guy.

That’s a pretty small sample size of truly fast high school kids, and Heidesch is on another level entirely. Beyond that, you can’t expect 9:15-9:40 type kids to excel in collegiate running - many do, but the great majority don’t. I don’t know what you think the expectation for Heidesch’s future should be, but I see absolutely no reason why he has any less chance of becoming a 3:55/13:20 guy than the next high school standout.

Doesn’t surprise me at all. He’s been getting better and better all the time

he can definitely go sub 4

lots of good underclassmen that have a chance to turn in to studs. Soph Jack Fiori, freshman Nick Paulsen, and some good 8th graders

Decker ran 9:08 in hs for 3200, not sub 9, and he had a good college career. Jason Thomas didn't stick with college running, but he has run 2:20 and like 1:05 for the marathon and half marathon. Schweizer, I'm not sure what happened with him, but he's the only one I'd say "flamed out", and he still improved slightly in college. Dowling is a good program in Iowa, but they aren't churning out national level times on a yearly basis. Schweizer is the only runner they've had that was among the best in the nation, and he was more of a 1500/800 runner. Carmody has taken it to another level in college. I'm from Iowa, and I only vaguley remember him in high school.

Any footage on this kid? What's his form look like?

everyone in Iowa hates dowling because they overtrain their athletes and are a bunch of rich preps. Take from that what you will.

You’re right - memory can be wonky, that’s for sure. I guess I was confusing his 9:08 Drake win with the sub-9s of Pollard/Meier/Austin in the following two years.

No, I believe you’re projecting the feelings of you and your friends onto the entire state. I live in Iowa and ran for Cedar Rapids Washington back in the day, and I’ve never felt any ill will toward Dowling. I was Katie Flood’s #1 fan and I’m rooting for Heidesch to go as far as he can.

I could see why a lot of high school athletes would feel resentment toward Dowling since they are a perennial sports powerhouse and yes, they do have money. But hopefully if you grow up one day you’ll see how warped and foolish it is to feel hatred for an entire school of teenage kids.

Hand up.

Good for those guys. I expect the 8:07 closing in 29 (and winning by 12 seconds) guy can run faster. And I also expect the 8:04 guy who closed in 27 can be a little closer to his teammates who ran 7:50. If that were me I'd be hungry for sub-8 at a minimum.

And the guy who ran 8:04 closing in 30 seems to have paced himself a little better - well done on his part.

Both of us would need a lot more data to "prove" our points, admittedly. But as a counterpoint from the same meet, look at the first 4 guys in the fast heat, who ran 7:50-7:59: they closed with splits of 30.5-31.7, and none of them had a final 400 split under 61.5. They ran like guys who knew they were aiming for the 7:50s.

The guy who closed an 8:04 in 27 ran like he was aiming for 8:10 and then kicked.

Well, I knew or was pretty sure he would break 4:00, because Ron told me , he thought he would. 3:57.66? I was yelling at the TV..LOL

Dowling does not over-train their athletes. Tim Ives is a very smart coach and doesn't force things. Heidesch is active on strava and hasn't run more than 45 miles yet this winter.

I've never known of a dowling runner in the past decade running more than 60 mpw

None of that coach/high school college history is relevant to whether Heidesch can break 4 this season. A guy who drops from about 9:05 2M converted to 8:42 in early indoors is enormously improved, so the fact he ran a 4:06 mile last year indicates that he's very, very likely to break 4 this year. Among all those likely, such as Leo and Lex Young, Aaron Sahlman, and the two seniors who have already done it, Heidesch has to be among the best prospects now.

Very, very? That sounds like 98% chance. Would you be willing to pay 20-1 odds on that? I will take it for $25. My HS PRs were 4:14 and 9:22. I ran 8:17 in college but only 4:12 in the mile. So I dropped about 30 seconds in the 3000 while only 3 seconds in the mile. It doesn't always add up the way you think it will.

Sounds like they trained you for 10k in college, so you lost all your fast twitch.

Heidesch, on the other hand just closed his 20 second or 2 mile in under 60! He has footspeed like a miler.

It's also only January with plenty of big meets left in March and June ideally set up to go for 4.

Just relying on data. 200 guys ran faster in the 3000 last year than Heidesch just ran. 200th in the mile was 4:04. He may do it but the facts say that he is likely to run low 4:0x.