NC State Transfer History

Don't forget Mareno.

Amazing to see their improvement after joining Nc State laid out.

Mareno was a transfer?

Yes, from stanford!

Mareno initially committed to Stanford out of high school. She only spent one redshirt semester there before transferring to NC State in Raleigh, where she is from. So while she did technically transfer from Stanford, she's spent 11 out of 12 semesters (6th year) with the Wolfpack.

What place did Joan Benoit place when she transferred from Bowdoin?

Redshirt, so she didn't run when she was in Stanford? If yes, we could say her development are all credit to NC State? Yes? No?

NC State could go 1-2-3 with Tuohy, Chmiel and Tyynismaa at Panorama 🤯

I don't know Nevada personally, so I don't know how she would describe her development or to whom/what it is owed. She didn't race while at Stanford; I don't know how much or what kind of training she was doing with the team while there.

Mareno was a big talent in high school (2nd and 3rd at Footlocker XC Nationals), so it's not necessarily surprising to see her have strong performances such as 27th at NCAA cross nationals in November or qualifying for outdoor nationals in the 1500 last spring. However, she dealt with injury issues and has shown a pretty gradual progression around those injuries during her 5.5 years at NC State. No one can say how she may have fared at a different program, but from her social media posts she seems to love her team and to be genuinely enjoying the sport, which in my opinion is not a small feat for a former teenage star.

Sounds like good coaching

Exactly.

Finishing 27th at Nationals is pretty good, it was a very hard course. The whole program deserves credit, not only the coaches but also the runners and everyone involved in that program. So cool what they have going on there!

This is disappointing to see. I worked at NC State many years ago, so I feel some sort of connection to the team. Of course, I was happy to see them win NCAAs the last two years. However, I had no idea that they get so many transfers. I don't pay close enough attention to stuff like that. I just look at their race results. Last year, Hays was #3 and Steelman #4; this year, Mareno was #4 and Seymour was #6. It really cheapens the title if it is won with over 25% of the team coming from other schools. And now they add another transfer in Tyynismaa for next season. I think Henes is a great coach and does a fantastic job with the program, but I would like to see what she and the team can do with runners they built up from freshmen. I know these transfers do not violate any NCAA rules, but neither do BYU's runners who tend to be a little older and that doesn't stop people here from complaining constantly about how their championships are "cheap." Maybe they should institute a limit of only one transfer runner is allowed in the NCAA championship meet.

I think the transfer rules should be:

During/after your freshman year, you can transfer and compete immediately. Once you set foot on campus as a sophomore, then:

1) If your coach goes to another school, you can go to that school and compete immediately.

2) If you decide to go somewhere other than where your coach went, then you need to sit out a year.

3) If your coach retires/is fired/dies, then you can transfer and compete immediately.

Just this year NCSt won the XC title with Tuohy, Chmiel, Bush, Mareno and Rauber as their top five. If people want to deem Mareno a "transfer" despite the years she spent running for NCSt, that seems like a stretch. But the remaining all started in the program.

Good programs will attract transfers. Colorado for example has the 5th year altitude sabbatical down to a science.

While their transfers tend to already be proven, All-American athletes, NC State has only brought in one transfer per year for the past few years. It's not like transfer students are the foundation of their teams. There have also been more transfer students available nationally for the past few years, as extra covid eligibility has meant that more athletes are doing 5th and 6th years, which may not fit well at their undergraduate schools (Hays, for instance, wouldn't have been able to stay at Columbia any longer, as the Ivy League doesn't permit grad students to compete). And, as mentioned above, Mareno has been at NC State for 11 of 12 semesters, which makes it kind of hard to view her as a typical transfer in my eyes.

If you'd like to see what Henes can do with runners she's "built up from freshmen," I'd suggest looking at S. Bush or S. Shaw. Both of them were very strong runners in high school, but they weren't state champions or setting state records. Both have progressed quite well and qualified individually for nationals. Even E. Henes and D. Clairmonte (ACC cross champion) are good examples of athletes developing through their time in the program.

fwiw Quarzo was 7, and I think Hendrix and Howlett were next 2 in line - all 3 recruits from hs, and then of course Shaw and Starliper who were hurt.

Many teams do thrive with transfers - Arkansas did with Gear, Jolly, Izzo, etc. NM, CO seem to get them often and ND and BYU did this year. Transfers seem to becoming more popular - I think there is a QB working on his 4th school now.

Football and Basketball and other team sports do this brotha. The disappointment is the other teams in the campus bringing in 3x more transfers and using up all the athletic department's money but cannot even get a win. Awful

I honestly don’t know anyone who can out recruit Henes. She has the magic! The only one who MIGHT be close in the future is Brosnan. He has the #1 public academic school in nation and the fame with Nico and the boys. But Henes just relates to women so well. He has a large gap to make up. It’s smooth sailing in Raleigh for a long time.