What school has had the most sub-9 3200 runners?

I do not know but…

That would take a lot of work with each school looking up times. There are teams that years ago where amazing with a few kids dipping upper 9 like Royal for instance. NP only in the last 5-6 years has been really good with a few top names previous to this, but years of being just okay. Obviously they would be considered having the top 4-6 times as a school if you ranked based upon that for 3200 with Nico, Colin, Leo, Lex, Aaron, Jace, Doshi ect vs others no one will touch them.

Good trivia question, but NP could add 2-3 new names this year to that list year alone. What about Loyola (CA)?

In 1975.....nearly 50 years ago....Hammond HS in northwest IN produced 3 boys who ran the full 2 mile distance in under 9:00, the slowest of the trio was actually 8:56.

This is the training they used according to an old article and found on LR:

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Morning training: Run 60 to 70 minutes continuously, starting at 6:00 AM daily throughout the year, except as noted above. This continuous run is at a reasonably fast pace on streets and roads. The pace is increased once each mile of the run for a distance of about 440y.

The following are evening workouts, in addition to the above daily morning training.

FALL AND WINTER TRAINING (1975-76)
Monday—PM, 3 x 3 miles. Jog 1/2 mile after each.
Tuesday—PM, 4 x 2 miles. Jog 3/4 mile after each.
Wednesday—PM, 75 minutes continuous fast run on roads.
Thursday—PM, Fast, continuous runs of 3-miles, 21/4-miles, 1 1/2-miles, and 3/4 mile. Jog 3/4 mile recovery after each.
Friday—PM, 7 1/2 miles time trial.
Saturday—PM, 60 minutes fast road run.
Sunday—AM, 90 minutes road run. PM, Rest.

SPRING AND SUMMER TRAINING
Monday—PM, 6 x 3/4 mile fast runs. Jog 3/4 mile after each.
Tuesday—PM, 10 x 440y as fast as possible under the circumstances. Jog 88Oy recovery after each.
Wednesday—PM, 75 minutes continuous fast run.
Thursday—PM, 8 x 880y at as fast pace as possible under the circumstances. Jog 44Oy after each.
Friday—PM, 7 1/2 miles time trial.
Saturday—PM, 60 minutes fast continuous run.
Sunday—PM, 90 minutes continuous run.
Chapa lifts weights Monday, Wednesday, and Friday each week, consisting of 3 sets of 10 repetitions of military press, bench press, and curls. He is coached by Dan Candiano. Chapa competes in ten 2 1/2-mile cross-country races, 5 indoor track, races, and ten outdoor mets annually.
Except when resting the day prior to major competition, Chapa merely substitutes competition for the above training on the day of a race. He eats no food for four hours prior to racing. He rests one week at the end of cross-country, indoor, and outdoor racing seasons before starting workouts for the succeeding racing season.

Newbury will probably have 2 more people added to this list in Doshi and Seymour in outdoor. That would put them at 9, they currently have had 7. (Goldstein was 0.6 seconds off in 2021)

In my opinion their XC record is far more impressive. Newbury Park has had the following individual placements across equivelant national meets: (NXN, Footlocker, Runninglane, NSAF MOC)

1st place: Nico Young (nxn), Colin Sahlman (rlxc2), Aaron Sahlman (nxn)

2nd place: Jeff Wilson (fl1991), Leo Young (rlxc2)

3rd place: Lex Young (rlxc2)

6th Place: Samantha McDonnel (rlxc2), Aaron Sahlman (rlxc2), Christian Simone (nsaf)

9th place: Lex Young (nsaf)

10th place: Leo Young (NXN)

That's 11 top 10 finishes from individuals from one highschool at a national highschool or equivelant meet. Not even included in that list are 8:44, 8:52, 8:59(seymour), 9:00, 9:02, 9:09 3200 runners and a 4:11 miler (simone)

I still think their track records are more impressive. including conversions they have 8:32c, 8:32c*, 8:33, 8:36c*, 8:39*, 8:44, and 8:52 for the top 7 3200 guys in the last 3 years

*still has a year left

if you look at every high school runner ever not from california i’m not sure how well their 3200s stack up against that top 5 which all came from 1 high school, 2 families, in the course of 3 years

Bigger challenge: what school has the biggest gap in time between sub 9 3200 equivalents? They tend to come in bunches.

The all-time non-California list goes something like this: 8:26, 8:34c, 8:36c, 8:36, 8:36, 8:36, 8:38. I only put "c" next to 3k conversions, but I think all of these come from 3k or 2-mile races (the rest of the country doesn't usually run Arcadia). Surprisingly close, especially for the top 5. NP has their top 3 in front of the #2 for the rest of the country. Will be very interesting to see what they can do without the Youngs and Sahlmans though. It's clear at this point that they are two of the most talented distance running families of all time. NP will not be putting multiple guys in the 8:30s with regularity. But they may still be competitive on a national level, it's hard to say for sure.

Don't forget Nico's 4th place at NXN 2018, but otherwise a nice list.

East coast entry - St Anthony's HS NY has 6 and might get 1 or 2 more over the next few years.

So they ran hard every single day. OK.

I know their 4 in the modern era (Payamps, Kutch, Gatewood, Buckholtz). Who are the other 2?

Northport has put up 5 but I'm not sure they'll get any in the next couple years.

Seems to work. Chapa's 10000 record hasn't been touched in spite of Rupp trying. (For those of you who suggest it is soft and even Newbury Park's janitor could break it, keep in mind that, even after a continuous year training specifically for 10k, high school stars do not go under Chapa's time as true freshman in the NCAA. Rupp is the exception and did it his first NCAA Outdoor season, so he's close in that it was only a year since he was HSR elegible. Freshman Fisher didn't, Freshman Fernandez didn't, and no NP alumnus has as of this writing. Although Nico could now, 2-1/2 years late, he hasn't.)

Looks similar to what Ryun did in that easy days were rare. Ryun's schedule probably looks even worse to modern eyes. He set World Records (and a High School Record that a total of one guy has broken in spite of an army trying to for decades) with consecutive hard days. It's hard to argue with results.

Nico could now? He could’ve as a freshman when abdi ran 27:40. he would’ve blown it out of the water at age 18. german could’ve too, he just didn’t run it

No one runs the 10k in high school, and not many even run it as a freshman

I think the 10k record is weak in the same way Webb's 3:53 is weak: someone else could've broken it if they gave it a shot. For 3:53 we all know Kessler could've broken it. For the 10k, any guy who finished top 10 at NCAAs as a freshman probably had a shot. If Rupp hadn't focused on the mile so much he probably would've. Derrick and Young also probably had a good shot. It's obviously still a really good time, but it's not 3:34/8:29/13:37 good.

The mile is one of the stronger high school records. No one really gives the 10k a shot in high school, but lots and lots of people try to chase sub 4 and Webb's record.

idk about 3200 but check out the 800 for bell gardens. that's gotta win.

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Jim Ryun, a few weeks in 1967:

March 6th-March 12th (1967)
Monday: 5 sprint miles. In evening, 3 miles cross country then 1x660, jog 440, 2x550, jog 440, 3x440, jog 440, 4x330, jog 440, 5x220, one mile warmdown.
Tuesday: 12 miles cross country then 18x165, one mile warmdown.
Wednesday: One mile easy, 10x100, one mile easy.
Thursday: Flew to Detroit. No run.
Friday: Ran 880 prelims, 2nd in heat, 1:54.8. Ran mile heats, won in 4:08. Came back in 880 final, 2nd in 1:50.7.
Saturday: Raced the mile, won in 3:58.6. Splits of 58, 2:01.5, 3:02.9.
Sunday: 12 miles cross country in 1 hour and 15 minutes, a bit tired.
March 13th-March 19th
Monday: One mile easy, 10x330 with 110 walk as rest, 1 1/2 mile warmdown. In evening, one mile easy then 4x120, 4x60, 1x880 (2:07), 440 jog, 2x660 (1:33, 1:34)) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 3x440 (58, 59, 59) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 4x330 (43s) with 110 walk as rest, jog 440, 5x220 (27s) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 6x165 with 165 jog as rest, one mile warmdown. 14 miles for the day.
Tuesday: Studied for a test in the morning. In evening, one mile warm-up, 8x165 with 165 jog as rest, jog 440, 8x165 with 165 jog as rest, jog 440, 8x165 with 165 jog as rest, jog 440, 8x165 with 165 jog as rest, one mile warmdown. 9 miles for the day.
Wednesday: 5 miles cross country in 30 minutes. In evening, 14 miles very fast but very tired afterwards and went to bed early. 19 miles for the day.
Thursday: 5 miles over hills in 35 minutes. In evening, 6x440 on a 3 minute interval, averaged 64s, jog 880, 6x440 on a 3 minute interval, averaged 63s, jog 880, 6x440 on a 3 minute interval, averaged 63s, jog 880, 6x440 on a 3 minute interval, averaged 62s, jog 880, 6x440 on a 3 minute interval, averaged 61s, last one in 54. Jogged one mile warmdown. 16 1/2 miles for the day.
Friday: 5 miles cross country in 30 minutes. In evening, one mile warmup, then 6 sets of 1x660 with 110 walk as rest, 1x165 with 165 walk. One mile warmdown. 14 miles for the day.
Saturday: 5 miles cross country, hard and fast in 28 minutes. In evening, 10 miles of everything-hills, cross country. Ran hard all the way. 15 miles for the day.
Sunday: 15 miles of cross country in 1 hour and 30 minutes. Jogged the last 2 miles, busted tail on the first 13 miles. 15 miles for the day.
102 1/2 miles for the week
March 20th-March 26th
Monday: One mile easy, 10x330 with 110 walk rest, 1 1/2 miles easy. In evening, 4 miles cross country then 1x880 (2:04), jog 440, 2x660 (1:30 avg.), 220 jog between as rest, jog 440, 3x440 (59s) on 3 minute interval, jog 440, 4x330 (43s) with 110 walk as rest, jog 440, 5x220 (26.5 avg.) with 220 jog between as rest, jog 440, 6x165 with 165 jog as rest, one mile warmdown. Lifted weights. 14 miles for the day.
Tuesday: Overslept in the morning. In the evening, 2 miles cross country, 6x220 (25.5 avg.) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 6x220 (25 avg.) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 6x165 with 165 jog as rest, 2 miles cross country. 9 miles for the day.
Wednesday: One mile easy, 10x330 with 110 walk, 1 1/2 miles easy. In evening, 15 miles cross country in 1 hour and 30 minutes. 20 miles for the day.
Thursday: Ran 6 miles easier than usual in 40 minutes. In evening, 6 miles in 36 minutes then 1 mile of 110s hard/easy, one mile warmdown. 14 miles for the day.
Friday: 5 miles cross country in Los Angeles down to beach, easy.
Saturday: Won mile in 4:05, splits of 62, 2:05, 3:08.8. Came back 45 minutes later to win 880 in 1:48.1. 54.5 at 440.
Sunday: 1 hour and 30 minutes along the beach, about 12 miles, easier than usually.
79 miles for the week
March 27th-April 2nd
Monday: Sick and did not run.
Tuesday: 5 miles in 27 minutes, legs felt great, but was still quite weak from cold. In evening, 8 miles in 45 minutes, legs again felt great, but still weak from cold.
Wednesday: 5 miles in 27 minutes. In evening, 5 miles in Norman, OK on way to Texas Relays.
Thursday: Nothing, slept in, 3 miles in evening in Austin, TX.
Friday: 880 anchor on sprint medley, 1:46.1. Splits of 25,52.5, 1:20. Cold made me feel a little weak still.
Saturday: Anchored 4 mile relay in 4:04.7. Splits of 58, 2:04, 3:09. Felt tired from cold.
Sunday: 14 miles in 1 hour and 25 minutes, a bit tired from travel. In Louisiana.
54 miles for the week
April 3rd-April 9th
Monday: One mile easy, 10x330, 1st 5 on very short rest, 1 1/2 miles easy. In evening, one mile easy then 2x880 (2:12, 2:10) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 2x660 (1:34, 1:30) with 220 jog as rest, 440 jog, 2x440 (56, 55) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 2x330 (39.8, 40) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 2x220 (24.9, 24.3) with 220 jog as rest, jog 440, 10x120 with 120 jog as rest, 2 miles of easy jogging. 14 miles for the day.
Tuesday: 5 miles in 30 minutes. In evening, one mile easy then 8x165 with 165 jog as rest (18.5s), jog 440, 8x165 with 165 jog as rest (18.5s), jog 440, 8x165 with 165 jog as rest (18.5s), 1 1/2 mile as warmdown. 13 miles for the day.
Wednesday: Fished all day on the Gulf. Got a bad sunburn.
Thursday: One mile easy, 10x330, 1st 5 on short rest, 1 1/2 miles easy. In evening, one mile easy then 10x330 with 110 walk as rest (42s), jog 880, 10x220 with 220 jog as rest (26s, last one in 23.4), jog 3 miles. 15 miles for the day.
Friday: 6 miles very fast in 35 minutes. 6 miles easy in evening. 12 miles for the day.
Saturday: Raced 100 in 10.3 then ran 6 laps of the 2 mile, dropped out with a bad sideache, ran 3/4 mile afterwards in 3:00.7.
Sunday: Drove home to Lawrence, no run.
April 10th-April 16th
Monday: One mile easy, 10x330, 1 1/2 miles easy. In evening 14 miles in 1 hour and 15 minutes, felt good all the way. 19 miles for the day.
Tuesday: 5 miles over hills in 30 minutes. In evening, 2 miles then 4x220 with 55 yard walk as rest, jog 440, 4x220 with 55 yard walk as rest, jog 440, 4x220 with 55 yard walk as rest, jog 440, 4x165 with 55 yard walk, jog 440, 4x165 with 55 yard walk, jog 440, 4x165 with 55 yard walk, one mile warmdown.
Wednesday: Did not run, heavy rain. In evening, 2 miles then 10x120 with 120 jog, jog 440, 10x120 with 120 jog, jog 440, 10x120 with 120 jog, jog 440, then 3 sets of 1 Campinelle, 10 pushups, 10 situps, 10 squats, 2 1/2 miles warmdown
Thursday: Rained again-and no rain gear so didn’t run. In evening, 10 miles cross country. Felt good.
Friday: Ran 4 miles easy. In evening ran 6 miles easy.
Saturday: Raced in Albuquerque, NM. Won the mile in 4:11 the 880 in 1:50.9. Both wins were quite easy and I noticed no effects from altitude.
Sunday: Ran up a mountain near the hotel. About 8 miles, took an hour and twenty minutes.
April 17th-April 23rd
Monday: 1 1/2 miles easy, 10x330, one mile easy. In evening, 2 miles cross country then 3x440 (59, 64, 59), jog 440, 2x44 (NT), jog 440, 3x330 (42.5, 46.5, 42.5), jog 440, 3x220 (27, 30, 26.5), jog 440, 2x220 (NT), jog 2 miles easy. 13 miles for the day.
Tuesday: No morning run, in evening jog 2 miles then 440 in 49.6, jog 440, 330 in 36.6, jog 440, 220 in 24.0, jog 2 miles easy. 5 miles for the day.
Wednesday: 4 miles easy.
Thursday: 3/4 mile easy, stretch, 3/4 mile easy.
Friday: Nothing
Saturday: Raced mile at Kansas Relays. Won in 3:54.7. Splits of 58, 1:58, 2:58. 1500m in 3:39.4. Split 47.0 on mile relay later.
Sunday: Nothing

Literally none of those people even attempted as 10K as Freshmen, your point makes no sense. Nico would have blown apart 28:30 as a Freshman considering his teammates who finished behind him at XC nats ran 27:40's (In a race he paced to 8,000m)