um if anyone is face palming, it is you...you just don't get it
Comparing a 800m kick to a distance runner kick in a distance running race !!?? uh where is the common sense
you dont get it
ok I will spell it out so even you understand it. The runner who has the best foot speed (in a 200/400/800) is not the one who will necessarily have the best finishing speed in a 5K or 6K race. That is the point that was being made. If you line up McDonald vs Tuohy at anything 800m or shorter I am pretty sure I know who will win, and it is not Tuohy. McDonald is "faster". But not at the close of a long hard race. The fitter runner prevails, not the faster runner. Sometimes you remind me of Alicia Silverstone!
What is an 800 runner? Athing Mu is an 800 runner. But any runner in the NCAA championship XC race can't be labelled as anything other than a cross couontry runner at that point in time. Should the officials have pulled her off of the race course like if a man were in the race?
"Katy-Ann McDonald is a 2 flat 800 runner and was the fastest runner in the race last Saturday but she ran the 2nd slowest last 1000."
i told yall that mcdonald is not the fastest runner coming in that race, it was parker valby
mcdonald did not come to run an 800m cross country race, it was a 6k
using mcdonald as an example of kick speed in a distance race is already invalid because distance runners run distance races, mcdonald is an 800m runner ... and she does not have a kick speed in a 6k race .. she wouldnt even have a chance to use her kick after one hill, its gone
"Katy-Ann McDonald is a 2 flat 800 runner and was the fastest runner in the race last Saturday but she ran the 2nd slowest last 1000."
i told yall that mcdonald is not the fastest runner coming in that race, it was parker valby
mcdonald did not come to run an 800m cross country race, it was a 6k
using mcdonald as an example of kick speed in a distance race is already invalid because distance runners run distance races, mcdonald is an 800m runner ... and she does not have a kick speed in a 6k race .. she wouldnt even have a chance to use her kick after one hill, its gone
so like whats the commotion !?
you clearly had no clue as to what the word "faster" meant.
What is an 800 runner? Athing Mu is an 800 runner. But any runner in the NCAA championship XC race can't be labelled as anything other than a cross couontry runner at that point in time. Should the officials have pulled her off of the race course like if a man were in the race?
so who brought up her 800m pr and said that she was the fastest runner in the race?
The point is that a kick has nothing to do with what speed a runner is capable of hitting. Letsrun always wants people to move up in distance because they don't understand this.
"Katy-Ann McDonald is a 2 flat 800 runner and was the fastest runner in the race last Saturday but she ran the 2nd slowest last 1000."
i told yall that mcdonald is not the fastest runner coming in that race, it was parker valby
mcdonald did not come to run an 800m cross country race, it was a 6k
using mcdonald as an example of kick speed in a distance race is already invalid because distance runners run distance races, mcdonald is an 800m runner ... and she does not have a kick speed in a 6k race .. she wouldnt even have a chance to use her kick after one hill, its gone
so like whats the commotion !?
you clearly had no clue as to what the word "faster" meant.
he said "fastest runner in the race last saturday" the race he was talking about is the 6k xc
its like the same as saying matthew boling is the fastest runner in the 5000m race
People are arguing over semantics... clearly top 800m runners can run 'faster' than a true distance runner, and have higher top end speed at a short distance like the 100m. Better foot speed and turnover.
Elite distance runners also have to have a fast 400m, 800m, 1500m to win. But they are not going to be Athing Mu 'fast' at 800m and below.
Tuohy can run a 200m in 31s when closing a race. Can she go faster than that? Idk but I think she can develop it.
Galvydyte was 74th in the race. Now that is an elite cross country runner. She has a 400 PR of 56 and an 800 PR of 2:01. Her kick was much slower than Tuohy's. A kick is not dependent on top end speed.
Galvydyte was 74th in the race. Now that is an elite cross country runner. She has a 400 PR of 56 and an 800 PR of 2:01. Her kick was much slower than Tuohy's. A kick is not dependent on top end speed.
As always, people improve their fitness and not their kick. Can she kick off of 15:00 or 14:50 pace? There’s a pace where she can’t accelerate at the end and another where she would actually slow down. Do we know for a fact if she has even improved her 400 speed since HS?
she dropped 6 seconds from her 1500m pr last year and basically could have gone faster too if the field was competitive .. yea her 400 was 62/63s last year
You ignored the point I was trying to make. You really believe her kick is a constant and her last 400m will be the same regardless of the pace? Before the trials last year, many posters claimed she could make the team off of a slow pace. It turned out to be a really slow pace but she didn’t make much headway against the women with faster PRs.
There were posters that said Leo had a better kick than Lex but that didn’t happen on Saturday, and no, Leo wasn’t saving himself for the next race or heartbroken that he couldn’t break GF’s record.
Some runners just have a kick. Yes it depends on overall fitness but Tuohy was known for having a strong kick all the way back in 8th grade. Her competitors talked about it. But obviously no kick is going to beat runners who are significantly faster.
Tuohy will never be close to medalling. I give her a 50% chacne of making a team. She will never be as fast as Purrier SP in the 1500 or Schweizer or Cranny or Monson in the 5000.
What is the basis for your statement? Since Tuohy has a faster time at her current age in the 1500 than Purrier did at the same age and is faster than Schweizer, Cranny, and Monson were in the 5000 when they were Tuohy's age, wouldn't it make sense that she could possbily be as fast as they are in the future? Wouldn't you agree with that? Methinks you're just poking the skunk.