would DEFINITELY not be able to run at SLO with those times. Babson would be a for sure yet, UCI and BC maybe. Guessing the 15:15 is a woodbridge time which is better than those track times but still not very good. BC is horrible though, so maybe they'd be fine with it. Athletically D3 would be a better fit, most schools aside from the top 5-10 teams at nationals would probably have a roster spot. A chance to maybe develop into a contributor at some point. Even mid-level D2 might be tough, and certainly any D1 or D2 program worth being on does not have guys on their roster with those HS times, unless you enjoy getting last place at conference meets.
No chance. Zero. Sub 9:20 and 4:20 for the worst ones. 4:12 and 9:05 for better ones.
I think he said "walk on". At least at my big10 school, they seem VERY liberal with accepting walk ons. Much much slower times than scholar athletes. Our website at least actually states PBs of all XC/Track athletes on the Bios. Some of them are pedestrian. Im not sure how that works or if they just need to fill a quota?
I'm helping my son who's a junior in high school research college options and hoping to get some ideas. He's strong both academically and athletically but not elite. He wants to major in business, preferably over economics, so that knocks out many of the liberal arts schools. He'd like to run in college but it's not a must, his academics and interest in getting a business degree come first.
These are his stats: 1600m: 4:35, 3200m: 9:58 (both as a sophomore). He dropped his 3-mile time in xc from 16:14 as a sophomore to 15:15 this fall as a junior (on the same course) so he's expecting some good improvement this coming track season. He has a 4.3 gpa.
My research tells me that the most elite academic schools (MIT, Stanford, etc) are out of reach. Here are some school's we're considering: Boston College, Babson College, UC Irvine, Cal Poly SLO. Any suggestions for other schools with strong business programs would be appreciated.
BTW you said running wasn't a"must". Maybe folks who ran ncaa track or XC could chime in, but the kids I saw in college who ran XC and track looked TAXED whenever I saw them in the dorm. And I didnt see them at too many parties! I suspect one should make a sure/must-do decision if they are passionate enough to play a NCAA sport and get an Econ degree. I know I wasnt mature enough at that time! Too many girls, too many friends, too many classes (in that order). With a 4.3 gpa sounds like he is motivated and mature though.
No chance. Zero. Sub 9:20 and 4:20 for the worst ones. 4:12 and 9:05 for better ones.
I think he said "walk on". At least at my big10 school, they seem VERY liberal with accepting walk ons. Much much slower times than scholar athletes. Our website at least actually states PBs of all XC/Track athletes on the Bios. Some of them are pedestrian. Im not sure how that works or if they just need to fill a quota?
Yes, I said walk on and I know a few good students who walked on some of the Big10 and ACC schools and participated on their teams. However most didn't last 4 years but they now have great jobs. I also stated about running for their club teams as well as that is an option. The OP's son is a good enough student to get into most of the Big10 and ACC schools that have good business programs. A 4:20/9:20 might help with admission even if they don't last on the team.
I'm helping my son who's a junior in high school research college options and hoping to get some ideas. He's strong both academically and athletically but not elite. He wants to major in business, preferably over economics, so that knocks out many of the liberal arts schools. He'd like to run in college but it's not a must, his academics and interest in getting a business degree come first.
These are his stats: 1600m: 4:35, 3200m: 9:58 (both as a sophomore). He dropped his 3-mile time in xc from 16:14 as a sophomore to 15:15 this fall as a junior (on the same course) so he's expecting some good improvement this coming track season. He has a 4.3 gpa.
My research tells me that the most elite academic schools (MIT, Stanford, etc) are out of reach. Here are some school's we're considering: Boston College, Babson College, UC Irvine, Cal Poly SLO. Any suggestions for other schools with strong business programs would be appreciated.
I am currently going through this with my son and have looked into a few of the same schools. Your list is diverse for sure. But judging by the times and the academic focus. Babson would be an excellent fit. Their unique curriculum combined with their ROI and career salary numbers put them at the top of your list. Athletically, his times would be a good fit as well from what I have seen.
Great advice from Deepindixie. I don't really know that many 17 year olds that truly know what they want to major in. Some public schools require a student to apply to the College of Business which can make changing majors later problematic. Excluding liberal arts schools across the board is questionable. I had an academically strong child and we toured 20 campuses. Schools like Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams have a lot going for them. The GPA that will matter for admissions is the restated, unweighted GPA on a 4.0 scale. Since some high schools boost AP and Honors courses by as much as 2 points, weighted GPA's are meaningless. Some colleges will still place inordinate emphasis on test scores, but this seems to be changing. 13th out of a class of 650 is a very high class rank and indicates your son is perhaps academically stronger than you might think. You can score 36 on the ACT and it indicates you had a good day. Finishing at the top of your high school class means he worked his fanny off for 4 years. Unless you are either very wealthy or very poor money is normally a significant consideration. We ended up paying $400K for one child's undergraduate and Law School. We'd do it again if given the choice but there are strategies you can use to pursue merit money