Meyer was 100% responsible for her own actions. If she threw coffee at someone she believed assaulted her friend and got away with it, many people might believe that action was justified, but she would nonetheless be responsible for the coffee incident. So yes, she would have created that mess for herself.
We know she committed suicide. She is responsible for that action, not the university.
#MeToo [That said, Stanford failed this young woman in multiple ways, she wasn't just some random student but under closer scrutiny / observation. The sc*m who comprise the overwhelming majority of university admin typs dgaf about that, however.]
The proper procedure is to notify both parties seperately that they need to meet with admin also seperately regarding a situation that has been brought to their attention. This can be e-mail, but also a formal letter, anything that documents the request. You don't specify the problem until the people are in person and you get their side of the incident.
This is standard procedure for Human Resource Departments and if Stanford didn't take it through the proper channel and protocol then yes, they can be held accountable...to what extent well, that's why there's a lawsuit.
Do you think spilling coffee over someone deserves expulsion from school, but a sex offender should get away with it? Whay kind of value do you have? Is it your fault or did your parents fail?
You don't even know basic facts, and you judge a deceased person for "lacking resilence"? I would be interested in what kind of reslience you have when you face real adversity, which you have apparently never experienced.
I never said anything about the football player. If he committed sexual assault, then yes of course he should be held responsible for that and be expelled plus thrown in jail. If he’s guilty and got away with it, that’s terrible. But that doesn’t mean Meyer can throw coffee at him. You think she’s the only one who cared about the person who says she was assaulted? Did that person not have other friends at the school? Relatives? Did they assault the football player?
I also never said that throwing or spilling coffee on someone warrants expulsion. Stop attacking me for things I never said. I’m not sure if it warrants expulsion or not. I suppose it depends on the extent and severity of the burns. But I know one thing for sure it doesn’t warrant: suicide.
You would have a really tough time using a dead person's state of mind as evidence. Unless you knew 100% that the young lady had no current or previous mental health issues it would be foolish to go down that road in defense. And even if there was no history I wouldn't go there.
When I was a college administrator we notified people via campus mail (email was not common then). Our letters were pro forma and only mentioned the allegation and whom to meet with (most often me). Now people knew that disciplinary action could be from nothing to expulsion (although expulsions are rare).
My guess is the letter (email) informed her of the charges and laid out her rights including the chance to meet with someone during normal business hours. I cannot see that sending the email after 4:30 is really a big deal considering people often work late or even shifted schedules and it is 2022. As a college admin, I often worked evening hours and had email been around I would have sent them after 5pm.
Also, even if the email had been sent at 8am, it is highly unlikely someone from the judicial office could have or would have met with her at 8:30am.
Also, the judicial group would likely have no way of knowing she was mentally fragile.
I find this to be an extreme long shot based on what I have read, but who knows.
Also, I suspect the player in question thinks the coffee (that could be pretty hot and cause harm) was not accidently spilled. The claim is she was sticking for her teammate, well unless the teammate was being assaulted at the time throwing (if that is what happened) then the football player was the victim. Exacting revenge months later is not ok.
As for another comment about the school condoning rape, the player in question was booted.
It sucks that this woman did not get the help she needed or did not take advantage of help that was offered.
Do I need to be a mental health expert to believe someone shouldn’t kill herself over getting in trouble for a coffee incident? Do I need to be a mental health expert to believe that people are responsible for their own actions?
Remember: the lawsuit states that she had no prior history of mental illness.
It is quite possible the player filed the complaint in the days leading up to the letter. I doubt they sat on the complaint for 6 months.
Have you seen the email and what it contained? Was there any mention of expulsion?
She could speak to a counselor at any time. University counseling centers have procedures for after hours situations. She could have talked to her coach as well.
The judicial folks probably handle hundreds of complaints each year in just this way. The fact that it was after hours in 2022 is a joke, right? If the email had been sent at 8am she might still not have been able to meet with anyone for a few days.
"Spilling" no, throwing probably no as well depending on how badly the person was harmed assuming the coffee was hot.
I read that the football player was expelled (or left) so while not a punishment one might want (assuming he did it) anything else is really beyond Stanford's control. Also the parents claim that her suicide was not planned. I wonder about that. People often make and talk about plans for the future before attempting suicide. Booking plane tickets is not really evidence that suicide was on her mind.
Alas, I suspect that Stanford sends hundreds of judicial emails a year (maybe thousands) and would have no reason to think "Hey someone is going to kill themselves" even if the 6 pages detail potential penalties (that would seem strange at least in my day). Sending the email after hours in 2022 to college students does not seem that strange. Even if sent during hours, she likely would not be able to talk to anyone immediately. Plus Stanford says there is a number to call in the letter. That seems like something pretty easy to settle.
From CNN, the lawsuit claims she had no history of mental health issues. Sorry but I find this hard to believe. Her parents might not have known or might have missed things. (The second guessing I would be doing would be off the charts). But when people kill themselves it often comes out how they struggled. The mental health of college students has gotten progressively worse over the last couple of decades (or more college students are reporting issues) and there have been numerous college athletes who have been very open about their struggles (pro athletes as well).
The family of Katie Meyer, a star soccer player who died by suicide last spring, has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Stanford University and several administrators alleging their actions surrounding a potential discipl...
You can have your opinion but that's about it. Again, how do you know her state of mind? It doesn't matter if there was no history if the situation itself drove her to suicide. This essentially is what the lawsuit is about.