Former Kenyan Olympic 5000 champ and 5 time world cross champion seeks coaching job in USA

Ghost1 wrote:

Hayduke wrote:

How could an illiterate person earn a coaching job? There is so much paperwork at the college level. In fact they are more likely to hire a literate person who has no idea what running is

How much literacy do you need to hold a stopwatch and devise training programs? Also, with regard to paperwork there is so much technology to hand now that a monkey could practically do many of the tasks we do habitually - exaggerating no doubt, but you see my point.

Ngugi is determined to get to the U.S. to coach and transmit his phenomenal knowledge.

In my mind, a human with 5 world cross country titles 86/87/88/89/92 and Olympic Games Gold, 5000 Seoul 1988, has a certain high IQ to achieve those phenomenal results. It might be a different kind of intelligence - not necessarily Mensa level - but to achieve what he has achieved - you need, I believe a high ceiling of brain power. People are confusing things.

Being functionally illiterate does not preclude a person from fulfilling job results. I'm in contact regularly with Ngugi and he responds coherently to messages within minutes. He is fine in that respect. People claiming he is "illiterate" are engaging in gross exaggeration, sorry.

Hayduke wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

How much literacy do you need to hold a stopwatch and devise training programs? Also, with regard to paperwork there is so much technology to hand now that a monkey could practically do many of the tasks we do habitually - exaggerating no doubt, but you see my point.

Ngugi is determined to get to the U.S. to coach and transmit his phenomenal knowledge.

In my mind, a human with 5 world cross country titles 86/87/88/89/92 and Olympic Games Gold, 5000 Seoul 1988, has a certain high IQ to achieve those phenomenal results. It might be a different kind of intelligence - not necessarily Mensa level - but to achieve what he has achieved - you need, I believe a high ceiling of brain power. People are confusing things.

Being functionally illiterate does not preclude a person from fulfilling job results. I'm in contact regularly with Ngugi and he responds coherently to messages within minutes. He is fine in that respect. People claiming he is "illiterate" are engaging in gross exaggeration, sorry.

Being a genetically gifted while training at high altitude does not equal intelligence and I don’t see your point about technology. If you are illiterate technology will be even a greater hindrance. Besides if you cannot read or write how can you write out a training plan? How can you read a stopwatch?

Ghost1 wrote:

US coach 101 wrote:

Did he look at the vacant coaching positions posted on this thread?

Which vacant position is he interested in applying for?

Has he prepared his coaching resume, obtained copies of his education transcripts, updated his passport, inquired about the procedure for applying for a work visa for the US, reached out to his contacts in the US, and prepared a statement to explain his doping ban?

Unfortunately, from my communications with Ngugi - none of the above. I think as a person with high status he (Ngugi), expects to be handed a coaching job without going through all these procedures. When I posed two simple questions the other day with regard to his coaching credentials and who he coached and their times, he was not happy with those kinds of questions so what you outlined above would be overboard for him and he would be discouraged in all likelihood.

Please remember that Henry Rono was given the head-coaching job in Yemen a few years ago without any experience in coaching so perhaps Ngugi could find a similar post somewhere.

Ngugi needs to be treated with care and tact because he is a very sensitive man who does not (particularly) appreciate answering questions. A different approach would be advisable to reach the man otherwise he clams up.

Ghost1 wrote:

US coach 101 wrote:

Did he look at the vacant coaching positions posted on this thread?

Which vacant position is he interested in applying for?

Has he prepared his coaching resume, obtained copies of his education transcripts, updated his passport, inquired about the procedure for applying for a work visa for the US, reached out to his contacts in the US, and prepared a statement to explain his doping ban?

Unfortunately, from my communications with Ngugi - none of the above. I think as a person with high status he (Ngugi), expects to be handed a coaching job without going through all these procedures. When I posed two simple questions the other day with regard to his coaching credentials and who he coached and their times, he was not happy with those kinds of questions so what you outlined above would be overboard for him and he would be discouraged in all likelihood.

Please remember that Henry Rono was given the head-coaching job in Yemen a few years ago without any experience in coaching so perhaps Ngugi could find a similar post somewhere.

Ngugi needs to be treated with care and tact because he is a very sensitive man who does not (particularly) appreciate answering questions. A different approach would be advisable to reach the man otherwise he clams up.

Ghost1 wrote:

US coach 101 wrote:

Did he look at the vacant coaching positions posted on this thread?

Which vacant position is he interested in applying for?

Has he prepared his coaching resume, obtained copies of his education transcripts, updated his passport, inquired about the procedure for applying for a work visa for the US, reached out to his contacts in the US, and prepared a statement to explain his doping ban?

Unfortunately, from my communications with Ngugi - none of the above. I think as a person with high status he (Ngugi), expects to be handed a coaching job without going through all these procedures. When I posed two simple questions the other day with regard to his coaching credentials and who he coached and their times, he was not happy with those kinds of questions so what you outlined above would be overboard for him and he would be discouraged in all likelihood.

Please remember that Henry Rono was given the head-coaching job in Yemen a few years ago without any experience in coaching so perhaps Ngugi could find a similar post somewhere.

Ngugi needs to be treated with care and tact because he is a very sensitive man who does not (particularly) appreciate answering questions. A different approach would be advisable to reach the man otherwise he clams up.

supporting ex-Kenyan runners2 wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

Unfortunately, from my communications with Ngugi - none of the above. I think as a person with high status he (Ngugi), expects to be handed a coaching job without going through all these procedures. When I posed two simple questions the other day with regard to his coaching credentials and who he coached and their times, he was not happy with those kinds of questions so what you outlined above would be overboard for him and he would be discouraged in all likelihood.

Please remember that Henry Rono was given the head-coaching job in Yemen a few years ago without any experience in coaching so perhaps Ngugi could find a similar post somewhere.

Ngugi needs to be treated with care and tact because he is a very sensitive man who does not (particularly) appreciate answering questions. A different approach would be advisable to reach the man otherwise he clams up.

With that attitude he doesn't deserve any coaching job.

BTW, if all the African runners who came after him were clean, as you obviously believe, what is so special about a guy who is now 335th on the all time 5000m list, and 131st Kenyan? Obviously either 'training methods' or 'talent' moved on VERY rapidly in the 1990s, as a number of Kenyans were running almost half-a-minute faster than Ngugi just 5 years after his peak.