There is a house on Walenta drive to the west which looks like it could potentially have a decent view of the property. On Google maps there are a couple Idaho Fish & Wildlife vehicles parked outside this house. If these kids were bled out and murdered with a hunting knife, I'd be looking there.
Why? Wouldn’t the occupants say they were asleep by 12 and if one of them had been the murderer, wouldn’t the knife be long gone? And having a good view of the crime property wouldn’t justify a search warrant.
There is a house on Walenta drive to the west which looks like it could potentially have a decent view of the property. On Google maps there are a couple Idaho Fish & Wildlife vehicles parked outside this house. If these kids were bled out and murdered with a hunting knife, I'd be looking there.
Why? Wouldn’t the occupants say they were asleep by 12 and if one of them had been the murderer, wouldn’t the knife be long gone? And having a good view of the crime property wouldn’t justify a search warrant.
Why? Because these lunatics haven't had a frank meza in a while.
I think your spot on with 2nd floor entry. Front door had a key pad which could also mean it auto locked even if the students were bad about locking up on their own. Much more likely the sliding door was unlocked, and of course explains why first floor was spared. Also would mean back door entry from the woods, likely no security camera footage, and why they are exploring the woods. Killer could have parked on a quiet road and walked through the woods to get there. Not many cars driving around at 3am on quiet roads. Just need to target some security cams in the area.
This was basically already confirmed like 5 days ago... Entered on the second floor either through the sliding glass or a window. May have gone downstairs and may not have. Seems to have murdered each victim in their rooms and then locked the doors behind him, which is why the initial 911 call was for an unresponsive person. The doors to the rooms were locked.
I know the rumor mill had been claiming that, but has the locked door angle been corroborated by LE?
This was basically already confirmed like 5 days ago... Entered on the second floor either through the sliding glass or a window. May have gone downstairs and may not have. Seems to have murdered each victim in their rooms and then locked the doors behind him, which is why the initial 911 call was for an unresponsive person. The doors to the rooms were locked.
I know the rumor mill had been claiming that, but has the locked door angle been corroborated by LE?
Why? Wouldn’t the occupants say they were asleep by 12 and if one of them had been the murderer, wouldn’t the knife be long gone? And having a good view of the crime property wouldn’t justify a search warrant.
Why? Because these lunatics haven't had a frank meza in a while.
WTT does Frank Meza have to do with anything? Are you off your crock-meds? You're like a bumbler.
This was basically already confirmed like 5 days ago... Entered on the second floor either through the sliding glass or a window. May have gone downstairs and may not have. Seems to have murdered each victim in their rooms and then locked the doors behind him, which is why the initial 911 call was for an unresponsive person. The doors to the rooms were locked.
Didn't know the locked rooms detail. That definitely explains the 911 unresponsive call, and that fact that it wasn't made until noon.
The locked bedroom doors detail and subsequent afternoon (ie. delayed) "unresponsive" 911 call brings up some interesting facts:
1. The killer left no apparent signs of his killings in the common space between the bedrooms (ie: didn't track any blood between rooms). We know this because had he left a trace, the downstairs-roommates would have noticed it upon waking up the next day and created immediate concern. They didn't - hence, only an "unresponsive" call as they couldn't get into the bedrooms and assumed their housemates were hung over/passed-out but couldn't verify.
2. The downstairs-roommates had plenty of time to "contaminate" the crime scene. All this means is they touched a lot of stuff (door knobs, doors, light switches, possibly did some cleaning, etc) - so a lot of that evidence will be gone (not that the killer wasn't wearing gloves).
3. I've seen reported that this was a party house. This would potentially imply that there's DNA evidence throughout the house from possibly dozens of people.
4. The murder weapon hasn't been recovered. The killer brought it back with him, has completely cleaned it, and has either returned it to it's original location or he's disposed of it in a way that no one will every find it and connect it back.
What does this all mean: the guy was meticulous and either knew what he was doing (experienced killer) or had really contemplated his actions/reactions/covers. It will be very tough to find a guy that is this smart that considers many contingencies, particularly after giving him a 10+ hour head-start. This was certainly not a crime of passion where the killer is usually: 1. sloppy or 2. caught on/near-site or 3. an emotional person who will slip-up elsewhere potentially days/weeks later. This isn't that guy. They'll never find him.
Also, question: I'm not sure if this is just an artifact of Hollywood movies in my mind but: if they never find the murder weapon, can a person ever be accused of the murders?
This guy has now had days to completely clean the knife and disposed of it in a way that can never be traced back to him (dented/deformed the blade, dropped it in a pond, buried it in the wilderness, etc). Sorry folks, dudes gone.
Also, question: I'm not sure if this is just an artifact of Hollywood movies in my mind but: if they never find the murder weapon, can a person ever be accused of the murders?
Sure they can, with DNA, video camera, or WiFI tracking evidence or even a sufficiently compelling body of circumstantial evidence.
Also, question: I'm not sure if this is just an artifact of Hollywood movies in my mind but: if they never find the murder weapon, can a person ever be accused of the murders?
This guy has now had days to completely clean the knife and disposed of it in a way that can never be traced back to him (dented/deformed the blade, dropped it in a pond, buried it in the wilderness, etc). Sorry folks, dudes gone.
No they don't need the weapon. They have the bodies, DNA, etc.
Thank you both for the replies - what you said makes sense.
I'm wondering if the other potential pieces of evidence exists and/or can be found.
1. Was any DNA evidence left? The killer seems meticulous and would have taken pre-cautions. Furthermore, the downstairs neighbors/anyone else might have inadvertently destroyed (contaminated) DNA evidence (in the common areas)(in the bedrooms - I have no idea).
2. I doubt the killer brought a cell phone with them - but maybe. But if so, I think they'd have him by now... no?
3. Cameras are not as ubiquitous and all-capturing as we sometimes think they are. The Boston marathon bombers evaded identification for a while despite being in the middle of a widely televised/filmed event, in the middle of a major city, in a dense-commercial area covered with security cameras, with an online-sleuth community combing through data/video/photos - Moscow, ID is none of these...
Thank you both for the replies - what you said makes sense.
I'm wondering if the other potential pieces of evidence exists and/or can be found.
1. Was any DNA evidence left? The killer seems meticulous and would have taken pre-cautions. Furthermore, the downstairs neighbors/anyone else might have inadvertently destroyed (contaminated) DNA evidence (in the common areas)(in the bedrooms - I have no idea).
2. I doubt the killer brought a cell phone with them - but maybe. But if so, I think they'd have him by now... no?
3. Cameras are not as ubiquitous and all-capturing as we sometimes think they are. The Boston marathon bombers evaded identification for a while despite being in the middle of a widely televised/filmed event, in the middle of a major city, in a dense-commercial area covered with security cameras, with an online-sleuth community combing through data/video/photos - Moscow, ID is none of these...
It won't so much matter about the multiple people's DNA because that's just one part of the evidence. Of course a stranger's DNA would stand out, but they seem sure it's a targeted attack, someone known personally. They just have to narrow it down. There's a lot of evidence and info the police are not sharing publicly at this time. And as others here have confirmed, being "cleared" after questioning does not necessarily mean they do not consider that person a suspect. They have to get all their ducks in a row before they are able to make an arrest.
One of the reasons the killer didn't track blood into the common areas is that the victims were asleep in their beds, ie covered by blankets. The killer likely stabbed them through the covers, which would have kept most of the blood localized to the bed.
My hunch is that they have a very good idea of who it was and are just collecting evidence right now. I would guess the killer wore gloves, but no way to know that. With as social as these kids were though, if it was anyone they knew, it is likely that guy will be tracked down. It's also possible it was a random attack by a serial killer which would make things harder, but this is unlikely.
I meant to add that initially they said they didn't have a suspect, but more recently when asked, they said they could not reveal that information (whether there's a suspect or not) because it could compromise the investigation. That leads me to believe they are hopefully honing in on someone, but they don't want that person to know they're onto him/her.
I meant to add that initially they said they didn't have a suspect, but more recently when asked, they said they could not reveal that information (whether there's a suspect or not) because it could compromise the investigation. That leads me to believe they are hopefully honing in on someone, but they don't want that person to know they're onto him/her.
In the most recent presser, they maintained that there are “no named suspects or arrests”, which I took to mean that they don’t have enough confidence in any suspect yet, though internally it would be likely in any investigation at this stage that they are pursuing leads on one or more candidate suspects.
I meant to add that initially they said they didn't have a suspect, but more recently when asked, they said they could not reveal that information (whether there's a suspect or not) because it could compromise the investigation. That leads me to believe they are hopefully honing in on someone, but they don't want that person to know they're onto him/her.
In the most recent presser, they maintained that there are “no named suspects or arrests”, which I took to mean that they don’t have enough confidence in any suspect yet, though internally it would be likely in any investigation at this stage that they are pursuing leads on one or more candidate suspects.
LE is not going to say much about if they have someone they're looking at, and I would think it's likely they would outright lie about it in order to not tip off the suspect. It is naive, in my opinion, to take LE's word at face value on this matter. They have one or more persons they are likely monitoring as absolutely as possible right now.
Something else that was talked about in a youtube video by a psychologist, it's very possible the killer didn't really expect to get off. Sometimes when people do these crimes, they're so full of hate and negative emotion that the only real thing that matters is killing their victims. Getting away with it is secondary or not really much of a concern at all. He talked about how Ted Bundy became very reckless towards the end to the point he started doing things almost randomly. He had succumbed to his bloodlust at that point and no longer seemed to be acting as if he cared if he was caught or not.
I get the impression LE knows who it is and are simply collecting enough evidence to slam dunk them.
In the most recent presser, they maintained that there are “no named suspects or arrests”, which I took to mean that they don’t have enough confidence in any suspect yet, though internally it would be likely in any investigation at this stage that they are pursuing leads on one or more candidate suspects.
LE is not going to say much about if they have someone they're looking at, and I would think it's likely they would outright lie about it in order to not tip off the suspect. It is naive, in my opinion, to take LE's word at face value on this matter. They have one or more persons they are likely monitoring as absolutely as possible right now.
Something else that was talked about in a youtube video by a psychologist, it's very possible the killer didn't really expect to get off. Sometimes when people do these crimes, they're so full of hate and negative emotion that the only real thing that matters is killing their victims. Getting away with it is secondary or not really much of a concern at all. He talked about how Ted Bundy became very reckless towards the end to the point he started doing things almost randomly. He had succumbed to his bloodlust at that point and no longer seemed to be acting as if he cared if he was caught or not.
I get the impression LE knows who it is and are simply collecting enough evidence to slam dunk them.
Unfortunately that seems like wishful thinking. This interview makes me think that they really have few leads. This could take years to solve, or it may never be.
