And he was not training THAT slow. Just listened today another podcast with Koop and Inigo San Milan where he kept saying that training in Zone 1 is too easy. Does not elicit any adaptations. You better lay down on your couch instead of doing an easy ride. Zone 2 is where the magic is at. And training below 100HR is for sure not Zone 2...
Just listened today another podcast with Koop and Inigo San Milan where he kept saying that training in Zone 1 is too easy.
Did you get to the part yet where Sammy is coming out of the Copa... it's about 3 o'clock in the morning, and, he sees Frank? Frank's walking down Broadway by himself...
The major difference is that when he was training for Pikes Peak it was Spring/Summer.Now he comes out of an injury and trains in the coldest winter months in Colorado a similar amount of mileage. That's the problem.
Very true, the winter and snow here has made outdoor training like he did in the past impossible. Now he could most def do faster flat runs or hop on the treadmill to crank uphill at a solid pace avoiding the snow/ice/cold. I wonder if his thought process is:
1. Ease into training (pace-wise) to avoid injury. Pace, not volume is what leads to injuries?
2. Treadmill training doesn't make for good cinematography.
3. The racing speed/ability is still there naturally, so volume is all that's needed to prepare.
4. He can easily grab a top spot at this early race (based on the field) and will add speed and tempo as key summer and fall races approach.
Regarding point #3, speed and turnover are skills that must be constantly worked. At Seth's age, this is even more vitally important. Speed and flexibility are the first thing that we lose when getting older. The fact that he gets hamstring niggles when he attempts tempo velocity should be very concerning and a call to change his training. In my experience both as an athlete and coach, his training methods are accelerating his descent into old man shuffling. He will be strong at races like Pike's Peak but he will get his head handed to him at Zegama and on the roads. A big aerobic engine is mostly worthless if you cannot match the speed or stride dynamics of younger and faster competitors.
3. The racing speed/ability is still there naturally, so volume is all that's needed to prepare.
but why SO MUCH VOLUME at SUCH A LOW PACE. Cut it in half and increase it to stimulating easy pace and you get the same if not more benefits because you'll also recover much better... yikes.
As I said time and time again. If he finishes the race decently it's even tough his training not because of ...
Just listened today another podcast with Koop and Inigo San Milan where he kept saying that training in Zone 1 is too easy.
Did you get to the part yet where Sammy is coming out of the Copa... it's about 3 o'clock in the morning, and, he sees Frank? Frank's walking down Broadway by himself...
You know, it's just that people like this . . . you know . . . they get all they want so they really don't understand, you know . . about a life like Frank's.
A big aerobic engine is mostly worthless if you cannot match the speed or stride dynamics of younger and faster competitors.
Just on this general note, I noticed the 24 year old 2:11 marathoner Jake Smith has been injured recently and returning to running. He mentioned on Strava that he's got a monster aerobic engine from cross training but his legs are failing to keep up; so it's interesting that loss of stride dynamics even affects young guys who have been out of running for a spell.
Most of the successful ultra pros who have been consistent all do relatively high mileage (without being ridiculous) and do normally around 2 speed sessions a week that I've seen.
They will also do a slow LSD but not as slow as Seth is doing...
What's funny is its very similar to how Seth trained when he won PP with his FKTs and speed sessions and don't remember his training runs being so slow...
But you know what they say.. If you have a winning formula then change it!
Rockz nailed it.This is exactly what the pros do.
Z1 is active recovery and totally necessary in high mileage training, but it’s like 5% of training, think easy doubles to shake the legs out. The majority of training is Z2, working but still cracking jokes, and then like 10% of volume is speed/hill workouts.
Seth’s mental game is strong, but he’s prone to push himself too far and end up injured. He’s totally skipped speed and strength workouts this build.
We know he reads these posts, there’s a trove of training advice, he’ll try it for a day and make a video but then it’s back to box jumps on the side of the highway for the grind. How many hard workouts have we seen in these last three weeks?
I’m rooting for Seth to finish the 50k and parlay this fitness into another block. I’m a fan of the person, not the persona.
The hay is in the barn, it’s basically taper time and shoe reviews from here on out.
The hay is in the barn, it’s basically taper time and shoe reviews from here on out.
right dere, right dere, unnecessary shots of coffee making, hammy knowing glances at the camera, durometer readings and shameless appeals for $$$ for the next 2 weeks
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