Lmao this thread is imploding. Letsrun eating its own tail. DGR Strong. 💪
I hope one day you get to share a plate of scrambled eggs cut by a pair of gently used scissors with your hero as you debate which goose noise is best for those tweener steasy midsole miles 😋
It will be interesting to see what happens on race day in a good 3 weeks. Trail ultraraces are impossible to predict. I think there is a possibility that Seth ends up in the top 5 but I would be really surprised if he gets one of the two team spots. Seth should know how to train at this point. Let's just see how this will turn out.
I spent a bit of time looking into ultras, as I really have not followed the sport, but there does seem to have been (maybe in the past) a history of successful ultra runners who just did a ton of miles as their training, so much so that sometimes they would end up with over-training syndrome. Geoff Roes appears to have become very successful with that approach and Rob Krar seemed the same. I think Anton Krupicka was all about just putting in a ton of miles too.
I don't know if things have changed, and this is just my own ignorance of the sport, but there does seem to be an approach to training for running ultras. by some successful people, which is different than marathons - they just go out there and run huge mileage. It could be that this is what Seth is doing and that it is not without precedent.
Someone more familiar with ultra history and training is very welcome to correct me on all of this.
All those guys were successful with high mileage, but none of them were running it super slow. It’s been a while since I’ve looked at any of there train, but if I remember right, Geoff Roes raced quite a few ultras in a short time which led to overtraining/burnout more so than the training, can only go to the well so often. Anton ran crazy mileage but also hammered some of his runs which Seth never does. Rob Krar I think was an 800m guy in college and moved to trails/ultras after becoming a pharmacist. Remember seeing some old videos of him in the Grand Canyon and he was moving pretty quick so again not all slow. I’ll throw a 4th in from that era, Ellie Greenwood who if I remember reading her old logs right ran around 200km weeks. Again she would race half’s and marathons as training runs and regularly did workouts. Exception being stuff like Barkley’s that’s not strictly a running race and May more suited to a through hiker than a runner.
Most of the successful ultra pros who have been consistent all do relatively high mileage (without being ridiculous) and do normally around 2 speed sessions a week that I've seen.
They will also do a slow LSD but not as slow as Seth is doing...
What's funny is its very similar to how Seth trained when he won PP with his FKTs and speed sessions and don't remember his training runs being so slow...
But you know what they say.. If you have a winning formula then change it!
I’m sure if Seth had been smashing FKTs and doing lots of speed work, the LRC stans would be saying that he was doing too much so soon after an injury.
I’m sure if Seth had been smashing FKTs and doing lots of speed work, the LRC stans would be saying that he was doing too much so soon after an injury.
Well, so far he has done one 10mile Tempo(slower than Marathon pace, but do take altitude into account) and another 10mile Tempo which he DNF after 10k with a tweaked hamstring. That's it.
I’m sure if Seth had been smashing FKTs and doing lots of speed work, the LRC stans would be saying that he was doing too much so soon after an injury.
Well, so far he has done one 10mile Tempo(slower than Marathon pace, but do take altitude into account) and another 10mile Tempo which he DNF after 10k with a tweaked hamstring. That's it.
But he trained the complete race distance multiple times in crawling speed.. F** yeah .... *shake head*
But he trained the complete race distance multiple times in crawling speed.. F** yeah .... *shake head*
Imagine getting up every morning at 4AM to film hours of coffee making, Bobo frying and drawer opening. Also he did that 40 mile run around a shopping centre. Tells me he has insane mental toughness.
But he trained the complete race distance multiple times in crawling speed.. F** yeah .... *shake head*
Imagine getting up every morning at 4AM to film hours of coffee making, Bobo frying and drawer opening. Also he did that 40 mile run around a shopping centre. Tells me he has insane mental toughness.
Insane mental toughness for him would be staying at home for long periods of time or using the treadmill.
I spent a bit of time looking into ultras, as I really have not followed the sport, but there does seem to have been (maybe in the past) a history of successful ultra runners who just did a ton of miles as their training, so much so that sometimes they would end up with over-training syndrome. Geoff Roes appears to have become very successful with that approach and Rob Krar seemed the same. I think Anton Krupicka was all about just putting in a ton of miles too.
I don't know if things have changed, and this is just my own ignorance of the sport, but there does seem to be an approach to training for running ultras. by some successful people, which is different than marathons - they just go out there and run huge mileage. It could be that this is what Seth is doing and that it is not without precedent.
Someone more familiar with ultra history and training is very welcome to correct me on all of this.
All those guys were successful with high mileage, but none of them were running it super slow. It’s been a while since I’ve looked at any of there train, but if I remember right, Geoff Roes raced quite a few ultras in a short time which led to overtraining/burnout more so than the training, can only go to the well so often. Anton ran crazy mileage but also hammered some of his runs which Seth never does. Rob Krar I think was an 800m guy in college and moved to trails/ultras after becoming a pharmacist. Remember seeing some old videos of him in the Grand Canyon and he was moving pretty quick so again not all slow. I’ll throw a 4th in from that era, Ellie Greenwood who if I remember reading her old logs right ran around 200km weeks. Again she would race half’s and marathons as training runs and regularly did workouts. Exception being stuff like Barkley’s that’s not strictly a running race and May more suited to a through hiker than a runner.
Some MAF/Low HR guys that Floris Gierman (Extramilest) has interviewed have had good results (i.e 2:20s) with almost only low HR training. However, their HRs do not go as low as Seth claims.
Some MAF/Low HR guys that Floris Gierman (Extramilest) has interviewed have had good results (i.e 2:20s) with almost only low HR training. However, their HRs do not go as low as Seth claims.
Even presuming his data is accurate, comparing absolute numbers with others is meaningless without more information (ie, knowing his max HR would be useful, for a start).
Most of the successful ultra pros who have been consistent all do relatively high mileage (without being ridiculous) and do normally around 2 speed sessions a week that I've seen.
They will also do a slow LSD but not as slow as Seth is doing...
What's funny is its very similar to how Seth trained when he won PP with his FKTs and speed sessions and don't remember his training runs being so slow...
But you know what they say.. If you have a winning formula then change it!
The major difference is that when he was training for Pikes Peak it was Spring/Summer. Now he comes out of an injury and trains in the coldest winter months in Colorado a similar amount of mileage. That's the problem.