Adidas runners took 5 of the 6 podium spots in Berlin and an Adidas runner just won the London Marathon for the men. Also took both podium spots at Boston 2022. Any chance Adidas shoes are being overlooked? Will they maintain superiority over the Nike Alpha-Beta clown shoes?
Maybe, but I think it's just as likely that Adidas is paying more for non-Kipchoge East African talent. Nike focuses on sponsoring the GOATs and then top westerners.
No one's being overlooked. They're both good shoes. It's nice that other companies have caught up and there are several options now. My feet were always too wide for Vaporflys, so I'm glad that the supershoe experience isn't limited to that one single option anymore, and I can get comfort and performance out of other brands.
There's also something to be said about those two being the largest companies with the most budget for sponsored athletes, but my first point is where I really wanted to go with this.
Adidas runners took 5 of the 6 podium spots in Berlin and an Adidas runner just won the London Marathon for the men. Also took both podium spots at Boston 2022. Any chance Adidas shoes are being overlooked? Will they maintain superiority over the Nike Alpha-Beta clown shoes?
I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it again here: The Adios Pro 3 is the successor to the OG/FK and Next% v1 Vaporflies. An amazing cushioned and bouncy ride sitting on top of an absolute slingshot of a carbon plate (OK, rods).
I have no idea what Nike did to their midsole between v1 and v2 of the VF/AF. Maybe they tinkered with the pebax formula to make it more resilient to wear so it would last longer. Maybe they tried to increase $ margins by starting to mix in a little of the recycled midsole material that they are touting in some of their 100% recycled Zoom X shoes (ZF5 and new Peg Turbo). Whatever it is, the new versions are much stiffer and less bouncy/forgiving that the first gen. The new midsole feels more like a midway point between original ZoomX and their classic React foam. I can even feel a difference between the first and second generation Invincibles. And the worst part is that the foam doesn't actually seem to last any longer than it did first time around.
I get that pros love them, because they are still plenty responsive and quite firm, so they feel like a racing flat. But the hobby jogger magic is gone.
It's possible people have such massive filters about Nike being top dog from the last 3-5 years that it will take a lot longer for other shoes to be widely considered as a replacement for the VF/AF juggernaut. I would definitely encourage anyone that was underwhelmed by the overengineered AF2 (or alternately, VF runners that feel the new shoe is too firm) to take a look at the AP3. I've repped Nike to the tune of OG VF, FK VF, VF N%1 x 3, AF N%1 x 2, and VF N%2 x 2 (plus many other pairs of Peg Turbos, N% Tempos, and Invincibles), but I'm on the three stripes for now.
Adidas runners took 5 of the 6 podium spots in Berlin and an Adidas runner just won the London Marathon for the men. Also took both podium spots at Boston 2022. Any chance Adidas shoes are being overlooked? Will they maintain superiority over the Nike Alpha-Beta clown shoes?
I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it again here: The Adios Pro 3 is the successor to the OG/FK and Next% v1 Vaporflies. An amazing cushioned and bouncy ride sitting on top of an absolute slingshot of a carbon plate (OK, rods).
I have no idea what Nike did to their midsole between v1 and v2 of the VF/AF. Maybe they tinkered with the pebax formula to make it more resilient to wear so it would last longer. Maybe they tried to increase $ margins by starting to mix in a little of the recycled midsole material that they are touting in some of their 100% recycled Zoom X shoes (ZF5 and new Peg Turbo). Whatever it is, the new versions are much stiffer and less bouncy/forgiving that the first gen. The new midsole feels more like a midway point between original ZoomX and their classic React foam. I can even feel a difference between the first and second generation Invincibles. And the worst part is that the foam doesn't actually seem to last any longer than it did first time around.
I get that pros love them, because they are still plenty responsive and quite firm, so they feel like a racing flat. But the hobby jogger magic is gone.
It's possible people have such massive filters about Nike being top dog from the last 3-5 years that it will take a lot longer for other shoes to be widely considered as a replacement for the VF/AF juggernaut. I would definitely encourage anyone that was underwhelmed by the overengineered AF2 (or alternately, VF runners that feel the new shoe is too firm) to take a look at the AP3. I've repped Nike to the tune of OG VF, FK VF, VF N%1 x 3, AF N%1 x 2, and VF N%2 x 2 (plus many other pairs of Peg Turbos, N% Tempos, and Invincibles), but I'm on the three stripes for now.
I haven't tried the Adiós 3 yet, but I totally agree about the VF. The VF Flyknit felt so much more propulsive than the the Next%. When I got my first pair of Next% the midsole felt hard. Nike definitely tried to make it more durable as people were only getting around 200km of decent running from the VF FK but in doing so, they lost a lot of what made it such a great shoe in the first place.
I tried the first version of the Adios, but that felt so stiff it began to hurt my feet. If they've found a way to add a bit more flex to it, then I might give it another try. But really what I want is the VF FK back on the market
Adidas runners took 5 of the 6 podium spots in Berlin and an Adidas runner just won the London Marathon for the men. Also took both podium spots at Boston 2022. Any chance Adidas shoes are being overlooked? Will they maintain superiority over the Nike Alpha-Beta clown shoes?
I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it again here: The Adios Pro 3 is the successor to the OG/FK and Next% v1 Vaporflies. An amazing cushioned and bouncy ride sitting on top of an absolute slingshot of a carbon plate (OK, rods).
I have no idea what Nike did to their midsole between v1 and v2 of the VF/AF. Maybe they tinkered with the pebax formula to make it more resilient to wear so it would last longer. Maybe they tried to increase $ margins by starting to mix in a little of the recycled midsole material that they are touting in some of their 100% recycled Zoom X shoes (ZF5 and new Peg Turbo). Whatever it is, the new versions are much stiffer and less bouncy/forgiving that the first gen. The new midsole feels more like a midway point between original ZoomX and their classic React foam. I can even feel a difference between the first and second generation Invincibles. And the worst part is that the foam doesn't actually seem to last any longer than it did first time around.
I get that pros love them, because they are still plenty responsive and quite firm, so they feel like a racing flat. But the hobby jogger magic is gone.
It's possible people have such massive filters about Nike being top dog from the last 3-5 years that it will take a lot longer for other shoes to be widely considered as a replacement for the VF/AF juggernaut. I would definitely encourage anyone that was underwhelmed by the overengineered AF2 (or alternately, VF runners that feel the new shoe is too firm) to take a look at the AP3. I've repped Nike to the tune of OG VF, FK VF, VF N%1 x 3, AF N%1 x 2, and VF N%2 x 2 (plus many other pairs of Peg Turbos, N% Tempos, and Invincibles), but I'm on the three stripes for now.
This is a really accurate assessment. I copped a pair Next%2’s for my current marathon cycle, having had great race experiences in the FK and original Next%.
Enter Next%2. Feels almost dead under my feet at marathon intervals, way more stiff than the original. No fun to run in at all. Decided to try the AAAP3, since my Takumi Sen 8’s are one of my all time favorites. Best decision i made this marathon cycle.
I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it again here: The Adios Pro 3 is the successor to the OG/FK and Next% v1 Vaporflies. An amazing cushioned and bouncy ride sitting on top of an absolute slingshot of a carbon plate (OK, rods).
I have no idea what Nike did to their midsole between v1 and v2 of the VF/AF. Maybe they tinkered with the pebax formula to make it more resilient to wear so it would last longer. Maybe they tried to increase $ margins by starting to mix in a little of the recycled midsole material that they are touting in some of their 100% recycled Zoom X shoes (ZF5 and new Peg Turbo). Whatever it is, the new versions are much stiffer and less bouncy/forgiving that the first gen. The new midsole feels more like a midway point between original ZoomX and their classic React foam. I can even feel a difference between the first and second generation Invincibles. And the worst part is that the foam doesn't actually seem to last any longer than it did first time around.
I get that pros love them, because they are still plenty responsive and quite firm, so they feel like a racing flat. But the hobby jogger magic is gone.
It's possible people have such massive filters about Nike being top dog from the last 3-5 years that it will take a lot longer for other shoes to be widely considered as a replacement for the VF/AF juggernaut. I would definitely encourage anyone that was underwhelmed by the overengineered AF2 (or alternately, VF runners that feel the new shoe is too firm) to take a look at the AP3. I've repped Nike to the tune of OG VF, FK VF, VF N%1 x 3, AF N%1 x 2, and VF N%2 x 2 (plus many other pairs of Peg Turbos, N% Tempos, and Invincibles), but I'm on the three stripes for now.
I haven't tried the Adiós 3 yet, but I totally agree about the VF. The VF Flyknit felt so much more propulsive than the the Next%. When I got my first pair of Next% the midsole felt hard. Nike definitely tried to make it more durable as people were only getting around 200km of decent running from the VF FK but in doing so, they lost a lot of what made it such a great shoe in the first place.
I tried the first version of the Adios, but that felt so stiff it began to hurt my feet. If they've found a way to add a bit more flex to it, then I might give it another try. But really what I want is the VF FK back on the market
What’s the problem? If you want VF FN then get a pair. You can buy them any day of the week on STOCKX.