I'm thinking of running for the Naval Academy

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1 year ago 12/02/2022 1:53pm EST

re: Naperville Runner

Naperville Runner wrote:
you might have stats that appear competitive relative to the pool of admitted students but thinking that you could get in easy is not the right way to approach getting an appointment to a service academy. You need to be competitive relative to the pool of applicants in your congressional district or state. Districts can either be horribly competitive or a cake walk depending on the demographics of your congressional district and service academy awareness / interest. I would suggest you go on the USNA admissions website and identify the admissions rep (Blue and Gold guy/gal) for your district and strike up a dialog. Be prepared for the first year to suck beyond your wildest imagination. You go from being a high school stud respected by your classmates and probably at the top of your class to standing at attention underneath a clock yelling today's menu and the number of days until Navy beats Army. You will take a heavy academic load and have some military duties and essentially be asked to do more than is humanly possible until you figure out how to manage your time. Air Force has the best distance running teams (7th at NCAA this year with their slowest guy slightly over 30 minutes) followed by Navy and then Army. I recently came across a published study of sleep deprivation that followed a West Point class through the 4 years. The average cadet slept 5 hours 25 minutes nightly. That is the "average" with some less and some more. Why don't you try sleeping 5 hours and 25 minutes for the next 7 days and let us know if you still think you are a shoe in for Navy?

Im a shoe it, trust me

1 year ago 12/02/2022 1:53pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Im a shoe inn wrote:
My parents do have a lot of money
The important thing is who they give it to.

Politicians of some kind

1 year ago 12/02/2022 3:27pm EST

re: I'm a shoe in

I had the chance to go to West Point and/or the Air Force Academy and scoffed at both options b/c I thought I was too cool and did not want to take orders. Bad decision. If you can go to an academy, do it. It will make the rest of life seem easy.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 4:02pm EST

re: Ca$hclay

Ca$hclay wrote:
I had the chance to go to West Point and/or the Air Force Academy and scoffed at both options b/c I thought I was too cool and did not want to take orders. Bad decision. If you can go to an academy, do it. It will make the rest of life seem easy.

I won’t make the same mistake and I will run varsity

1 year ago 12/02/2022 4:50pm EST

re: Im a shoe inn

Im a shoe inn wrote:
Ca$hclay wrote:
I had the chance to go to West Point and/or the Air Force Academy and scoffed at both options b/c I thought I was too cool and did not want to take orders. Bad decision. If you can go to an academy, do it. It will make the rest of life seem easy.
I won’t make the same mistake and I will run varsity

LOL. You may just be one of the "few good men" they're looking for, but I peg you for JV at best; probably more of a clipboard holder. Not to worry - the world needs ditch-diggers too.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 4:52pm EST

re: I'm a shoe in

If you're going to Annapolis, running should not even be a factor in your decision. No one should choose a service academy to play a sport. Decide if you want to go to that school, and if you want to serve in the military. Then once you have that down, look at the sports options.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 4:53pm EST

re: Ca$hclay

Ca$hclay wrote:
Im a shoe inn wrote:
I won’t make the same mistake and I will run varsity
LOL. You may just be one of the "few good men" they're looking for, but I peg you for JV at best; probably more of a clipboard holder. Not to worry - the world needs ditch-diggers too.

No clipboard for me. I will be shouting “swordfish” and wearing N Star sweaters and running the pipe loop with all my bros. Meanwhile, you’ll still be living at your mamas house

1 year ago 12/02/2022 5:20pm EST

re: ZacharyMayo

Agree completely with ZacharyMayo. I stay in touch with my West Point classmates. Depending upon the civilian economy and whether deployments to garden spots like Afghanistan are going on, between 50% and 70% of West Point graduates will leave the military around the 5 year mark. So, you don't need to think of it as signing up for a 20 year career. Mid career earnings of service academy graduates are within the top 5 of all 2,000 colleges and the alumi network is comparable to that of Notre Dame. I can't overstate that you should not look at the published profile of an admitted class and simply assume you will get in based on your numbers. Each Member of Congress can have a total of 5 Midshipmen at any point in time enrolled, so they usually have 1 or sometimes 2 spots. What matters is not how your stats compare to the profile of admitted students but how they compare to whoever is applying to your academy during a given year.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 5:51pm EST

re: Naperville Runner

Naperville Runner wrote:
Agree completely with ZacharyMayo. I stay in touch with my West Point classmates. Depending upon the civilian economy and whether deployments to garden spots like Afghanistan are going on, between 50% and 70% of West Point graduates will leave the military around the 5 year mark. So, you don't need to think of it as signing up for a 20 year career. Mid career earnings of service academy graduates are within the top 5 of all 2,000 colleges and the alumi network is comparable to that of Notre Dame. I can't overstate that you should not look at the published profile of an admitted class and simply assume you will get in based on your numbers. Each Member of Congress can have a total of 5 Midshipmen at any point in time enrolled, so they usually have 1 or sometimes 2 spots. What matters is not how your stats compare to the profile of admitted students but how they compare to whoever is applying to your academy during a given year.

Thanks, Nashville Runner, and I agree. I have spoken with many a Middie or academy grad and they have told me about how nice it is to graduate. That’s my goal, to graduate with some good money in my pockets and then to get into politics. As far as getting a nomination, I don’t imagine it will be that difficult for me. Again, my grades are really good and my running is only improving and I’m sure Coach Erin will put in a good word for me!

Maybe the academy is hard, but so what! Life is hard

1 year ago 12/02/2022 5:55pm EST

re: I'm a shoe in

Naval Academy has one advantage over traditional colleges - you don't have to worry about finding a job before you graduate. There are some disadvantages like extra responsibilities and depending on your job in the navy and where you are stationed you may not be able to continue your running afterwards.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 5:56pm EST

re: Gyrines

Gyrines wrote:
Not Navy, but we had a guy from the class below mine in HS go to West Point/Army. 400/800 guy. I saw him at the gym after his first semester (I'm not sure what they call it there, he was home for the holidays) and he just told me how bad it sucked.
Everything. The classes, the weather, the workouts, military stuff obligations, people screaming at you all the time. I think he was ready as he was a pretty resilient person but he did not give a real glowing endorsement.
He did end up graduating and going to Iraq, made it through that and now he's doing well. I know doubt believe that these Military Academies really discipline you and give you resources to be successful.

I have a cousin who just completed his service in the Navy and hated it. But he wanted to be a marine, and his guardian would not let him. OP seems to be pretty gung-ho. I don't think pursuing this dream will end up in failure, despite the warnings in this thread.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 6:00pm EST

re: Naperville Runner

Naperville Runner wrote:
you might have stats that appear competitive relative to the pool of admitted students but thinking that you could get in easy is not the right way to approach getting an appointment to a service academy. You need to be competitive relative to the pool of applicants in your congressional district or state. Districts can either be horribly competitive or a cake walk depending on the demographics of your congressional district and service academy awareness / interest. I would suggest you go on the USNA admissions website and identify the admissions rep (Blue and Gold guy/gal) for your district and strike up a dialog. Be prepared for the first year to suck beyond your wildest imagination. You go from being a high school stud respected by your classmates and probably at the top of your class to standing at attention underneath a clock yelling today's menu and the number of days until Navy beats Army. You will take a heavy academic load and have some military duties and essentially be asked to do more than is humanly possible until you figure out how to manage your time. Air Force has the best distance running teams (7th at NCAA this year with their slowest guy slightly over 30 minutes) followed by Navy and then Army. I recently came across a published study of sleep deprivation that followed a West Point class through the 4 years. The average cadet slept 5 hours 25 minutes nightly. That is the "average" with some less and some more. Why don't you try sleeping 5 hours and 25 minutes for the next 7 days and let us know if you still think you are a shoe in for Navy?

I probably averaged around that amount of sleep and didn't go to a service academy.

But ya, for most college students college is studying and fun. For service academy students college is studying and work.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 7:26pm EST

re: I'm a shoe in

I'm a shoe in wrote:
gijoeselp wrote:
thanks in advance for your years of service.
your welcome!

If you don't know the difference between your and you're, you might have a difficult time in the Naval Academy.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 7:32pm EST

re: I AM ... NUMBER ONE

I AM ... NUMBER ONE wrote:
I'm a shoe in wrote:
your welcome!
If you don't know the difference between your and you're, you might have a difficult time in the Naval Academy.

I’ll be fine lol

1 year ago 12/02/2022 7:35pm EST

re: I'm a shoe in

You go to the navy for the navy. If your goal is run as fast as you can and excel in track do not go to the academy. Remember there is life after running and you will have to serve as an officer so that should be your #1 reason for going. Also it is very difficult and competitive to get in since you need the nomination. However, if this is what you want definitely go for it it is a great school, you’ll be set for life after, Annapolis is awesome, and the new coach seems much better than the old one that was around for way too long.

Source: recruited by the naval academy many years ago but decided against it since I didn’t want to do military. I am friends with a few former grads who ran and all knew 100% they wanted the military route.

1 year ago 12/02/2022 7:50pm EST

re: Oldnavyrecruit

Oldnavyrecruit wrote:
You go to the navy for the navy. If your goal is run as fast as you can and excel in track do not go to the academy. Remember there is life after running and you will have to serve as an officer so that should be your #1 reason for going. Also it is very difficult and competitive to get in since you need the nomination. However, if this is what you want definitely go for it it is a great school, you’ll be set for life after, Annapolis is awesome, and the new coach seems much better than the old one that was around for way too long.
Source: recruited by the naval academy many years ago but decided against it since I didn’t want to do military. I am friends with a few former grads who ran and all knew 100% they wanted the military route.

I’m going for the running. The navy stuff is whatever

1 year ago 12/02/2022 8:17pm EST

re: Some thoughts

Some thoughts wrote:
My high school coach ran at the Naval Academy and ultimately transferred out to a state school to finish his degree and collegiate career. I can't remember the exact circumstances, but I believe he was kicked out for not being able to manage academics there on top of all the other obligations required. The rigidity of the lifestyle there for a midshipman was not something he had accounted for when applying. You're told when to wake up, when to run, when to eat, when to go to class, when to study, and when to go to sleep.
Your entire day is regimented and running XC/track only adds to this inflexibility. Some people are built for that, others not. I know I wouldn't have lasted in an environment like that. Make sure you know what you're signing up for as far as the day to day is concerned.

Likely missed three turns in the barrell and didn't provide whereabouts

1 year ago 12/03/2022 12:40pm EST

re: I AM ... NUMBER ONE

Good job by USA Today American Soccer! It’s good to cheer for USA WHEN JOINING MILITARY

1 year ago 12/03/2022 12:45pm EST

re: I'm a shoe in

I\'m a shoe in wrote:
Junior, PRs around 4:24 and 9:30, getting A LOT better and fast. Good grades. Well rounded. Would have NO problem getting.
I think I'd like it there. Also, their coach Aaron Lanzel is a good coach and used to be a fast miler. He ran at Annapolis for Al Cantello, who is in the coaching hall of fame and also a great guy

You are one of the cringest trolls I've seen. Bravo.

1 year ago 12/03/2022 12:48pm EST

re: interesting take

interesting take wrote:
I\'m a shoe in wrote:
Junior, PRs around 4:24 and 9:30, getting A LOT better and fast. Good grades. Well rounded. Would have NO problem getting.
I think I'd like it there. Also, their coach Aaron Lanzel is a good coach and used to be a fast miler. He ran at Annapolis for Al Cantello, who is in the coaching hall of fame and also a great guy
You are one of the cringest trolls I've seen. Bravo.

Wow. I’m not a troll I’m a future naval officer

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