Is UVA a TOP 10 team???? 7 under 24 min today in Boston

They would have been stuck in the pack at Cowboy Jam and gone over 24.

The bean town race has a history of going out slow, like 15:30 through 5k sometimes. Makes the final times slow.

The weather was not ideal yesterday. Soft course and winds over 20mph. Yes, both uva teams are that good.

Franklin is quite fast and slightly short as well..

In cross country terms, what does that mean "quite fast"?

Why does it even matter is cross country?

Are you thinking of the '10k'?

The 8k is actually 7935 meters, so maybe 7-8 seconds short? The "10K" is 9855 meters, so that's legit short, probably like 25 seconds.

didn't know that... I will say regardless of the actual distance, it's a slow course so it kinda evens out. like I have run full 8ks on courses way faster than franklin park

Clicking through a lot of names in the results, it looks like most people ran large personal best times. That would be unusual this early in the season so it's probably true that the course is a little short, if 7935 it would be closer to 11-12 seconds difference.

Is anyone aware of any of the athletes putting their run on strava?

Regardless of whether its 10 seconds short, Franklin Park is not a fast course by any means relative to other 8ks. The Beantown meet record appears to be 23:51 by Justyn Knight, and many top runners and teams have run this meet over the last decade. This was a very strong performance by UVA.

I can’t believe people in this thread are arguing that Franklin Park is a fast course. Anyone that ran College XC in the Northeast will tell you its not, especially compared to some of these other pancake courses.

Bearcage sucks the second time up. The weather is usually a bit warmer so that explains why there were some decent winning times relative to the past.

For comparison's sake, here are 2021 Battle of Beantown and NCAA Champs results for those who ran both:

BB/NCAA

1. Boit ARK 24:08/15th 29:16

2. Kemboi ARK 24:08/12th 29:13

3. Dragon SYR 24:09/55th 29:42

4. Trojan SYR 24:12/78th 30:00

5. Cheboson ARK 24:13/17th 29:17

6. Kibet ARK 24:14/56th 29:42

7. Rocha PROV 24:15/61st 29:45

8. Vorbach COL 24:16/n/a

9. Miranda YALE 24:18/n/a
10. Iverson HARV 24:20/40th 29:21
11. Ambrosio DU 24:21/n/a
12 Henderson SYR 24:24/n/a
13 Kinne DU 24:32/n/a
14 Pereira HARV 24:35/35th 29:28
15 Rivera DU 24:39/n/a
16 Daley DART 24:40/n/a
17 Theodore DU 24:41/n/a
18 Beatty ARMY 24:41/n/a
19 Tooker SYR 24:42/90th 30:06
20 Melville HARV 24:42/156th 30:39
21 Blanks Harvard 24:51/23rd 29:21
22 Smith SYR 24:52/243rd 32:46
23 McGlynn PRO 24:54
24 Romine DU 24:55
25 McLeod ARK 24:57/161st 30:41
26 Comerford SYR 24:58/222nd 31:38
27 Korczynski NE 25:00/n/a
28 Burr ARMY 25:01/n/a
29 Ungvarsky DU 25:02/n/a
30 Beveridge SYR 25:02

Last year's 27th place, Korczynski (25:00) won this year's contest, 68 seconds faster. A bunch of the above guys didn't make nationals either individually or as teams, but among those who did there were many top 40 guys, and the top guys were faster this year than last despite some quality teams not being there or, as in Harvard's case, not running their top guys. Virginia's results are reason for optimism for the team to finish well at nationals this year. Arkansas scored 39 points last year and went on to finish 4th at nationals, Virginia 20 points this year, and with barely any gap, in contrast to the Razorbacks last year. So, Virginia's results are reason for optimism for the team to finish well at nationals this year.

Coast-to-Coast Battle in Beantown
September 23, 2022
Men's Overall Results
PlaceTmPlBibNameYrTeam3.1k5kTimePace1
1
393
Alexander Korczynski
SR
Northeastern
9:18
15:14
23:52
4:49
2
2
462
Yasin Sado
SO
Virginia
9:19
15:13
23:53
4:49
3
3
463
Justin Wachtel
FR
Virginia
9:18
15:13
23:55
4:49
4
4
447
Jack Eliason
SO
Virginia
9:20
15:14
23:56
4:49
5
5
442
Rohann Asfaw
SR
Virginia
9:18
15:14
23:57
4:50
6
6
441
Will Anthony
FR
Virginia
9:19
15:14
23:57
4:50
7
7
322
Will Daley
SO
Dartmouth
9:19
15:14
23:58
4:50
8
8
459
Wes Porter
SO
Virginia
9:18
15:14
23:59
4:50
9
9
450
Derek Johnson
JR
Virginia
9:19
15:14
23:59
4:50
10
10
337
Jake Winslow
JR
Dartmouth
9:19
15:15
24:12
4:52
11
11
493
Hunter Christopher
SO
Youngstown St.
9:19
15:15
24:13
4:53
12
449
Jacob Hunter
SO
Virginia
9:18
15:14
24:18
4:54
13
12
412
Silas Derfel
JR
Syracuse
9:19
15:13
24:19
4:54
14
13
317
Samuel Whittaker
SR
Bucknell
9:19
15:17
24:22
4:55
15
14
496
Chase Easterling
JR
Youngstown St.
9:20
15:22
24:25
4:55
16
15
418
Karl Winter
SR
Syracuse
9:21
15:23
24:27
4:55
17
453
Gary Martin
FR
Virginia
9:20
15:14
24:31
4:56
18
16
402
Matthew Schaefer
SR
Northeastern
9:20
15:26
24:34
4:57
19
17
360
Alec Troxell
SR
Maine
9:30
15:35
24:34
4:57
20
18
406
Ben Fleischer
JR
Rhode Island
9:27
15:35
24:35
4:57
21
19
359
Evan Thornton-Sherm
FR
Maine
9:23
15:29
24:38
4:58
22
20
333
Albert Velikonja
SO
Dartmouth
9:20
15:27
24:41
4:58
23
21
466
Leo Brewer
SO
Yale
9:35
15:41
24:41
4:58
24
22
477
Braden King
FR
Yale
9:35
15:40
24:43
4:59
25
23
332
Eric Sankey
FR
Dartmouth
9:30
15:38
24:44
4:59
26
24
398
Patrick Mullen
SR
Northeastern
9:28
15:36
24:50
5:00
27
25
279
Michael Hagan
SR
Boston University
9:32
15:38
24:53
5:01
28
26
482
Kenan Pala
FR
Yale
9:35
15:41
24:55
5:01
29
27
382
Declan McDonnell
FR
Monmouth
9:32
15:41
24:55
5:01
30
28
297
Evan Sherman
JR
Brown
9:44
15:45
24:56
5:01

No.

Before kids started running low to mid 23s out west, Franklin was known as a super fast course (only partially because it’s short).

Didn’t Keith Kelly run 23:19 from the front the year he won NCAAs? I think 23:59 was about 11th at Big East that year. Hamish Thorpe (also PC) ran 23:33 or so and ended up 12th at Ncaas.

Wasn’t too far off. Surprise result for 5th place for you youngins.

ma.milesplit.com

Big East Cross Country Championships 2000 - Mens Results (Raw)

MileSplits official Mens Results raw results for the 2000 Big East Cross Country Championships, hosted by Boston College in Boston MA.

Link:ma.milesplit.com/meets/178696-big-east...

Trevor Dunbar's feet are perfectly proportioned for his body.

Thanks for posting, I am now much less impressed with UVA's performance. Mike Smith in 5th, Milt in 25th.

BIG EAST MENS XC CHAMPIONSHIP
Race Date:10-27-00
BIG EAST MENS XC CHAMPIONSHIP
MENS 8,000M RUN
PL NAME TEAM YR - TIME ----------------------------------
1 Keith Kelly Providence Sr M 23:21 4:42 1/116 M21-21:1/26 90.6%
2 Hamish Thorpe Providence Jr M 23:34 4:45 2/116 M20-20:1/27 89.7%
3 Franklyn Sanchez Georgetown Fr M 23:35 4:45 3/116 M 1-18:1/35 90.9%
4 Tom Parlapiano Villanova So M 23:43 4:47 4/116 M19-19:1/28 89.8%
5 Mike Smith Georgetown So M 23:43 4:47 5/116 M19-19:2/28 89.8%
6 Dan Wilson Connecticut Sr M 23:44 4:47 6/116 M21-21:2/26 89.1%
7 Luke Watson Notre Dame Jr M 23:44 4:47 7/116 M20-20:2/27 89.1%
8 Marc Striowksi Notre Dame Jr M 23:50 4:48 8/116 M20-20:3/27 88.7%
9 David Rodriquez Georgetown Sr M 23:52 4:49 9/116 M21-21:3/26 88.6%
10 Dermot Galvin Providence Jr M 23:54 4:49 10/116 M20-20:4/27 88.5%
11 Steve Bohan West Virginia Sr M 24:01 4:51 11/116 M21-21:4/26 88.0%
12 Adam Sutton Providence So M 24:02 4:51 12/116 M19-19:3/28 88.6%
13 Corey Smith Georgetown Sr M 24:06 4:52 13/116 M21-21:5/26 87.7%
14 Paul Reilly Providence Jr M 24:11 4:53 14/116 M20-20:5/27 87.4%
15 Jon Fasulo Villanova So M 24:12 4:53 15/116 M19-19:4/28 88.0%
16 Kyle Smits Georgetown Sr M 24:13 4:53 16/116 M21-21:6/26 87.3%
17 Larry Morrissey Providence Jr M 24:14 4:53 17/116 M20-20:6/27 87.3%
18 John Dudley Boston College Sr M 24:16 4:54 18/116 M21-21:7/26 87.1%
19 Justin Burdon Boston College Sr M 24:20 4:54 19/116 M21-21:8/26 86.9%
20 Ben Showers Villanova Jr M 24:21 4:55 20/116 M20-20:7/27 86.8%
21 Patrick Conway Notre Dame Jr M 24:23 4:55 21/116 M20-20:8/27 86.7%
22 Ciaran Lynch Providence Sr M 24:27 4:56 22/116 M21-21:9/26 86.5%
23 Chris Livesey Providence So M 24:32 4:57 23/116 M19-19:5/28 86.8%
24 Ryan Hayden Villanova Fr M 24:35 4:57 24/116 M 1-18:2/35 87.2%
25 Chris Miltenberg Georgetown Jr M 24:36 4:58 25/116 M20-20:9/27 86.0%

What, this literally makes it look more impressive. There were 4 top 10 teams at NCAAs in that race and 4 top 10 individuals, including the individual champion Keith Kelly. Different conditions and race I know, but UVAs times would have won or got 2nd in that race, just eyeballing that

Keep in mind that the Big East meet was about a month later in the season training-wise, and the course had hosted several meets by that point in the season, so the course was packed down and ran faster. UVA had an impressive race