Putin was well aware of the MAD doctrine, as well, when he entered Ukraine.
My response to Roy was specifically with regard to his point that Putin is deterred due to fallout. If a human decision were eventually made to “send all bombs”, then he is not deterred at that point, for there would be no concern about fallout.
When he entered Ukraine, he did not use nuclear weapons. So, what is your point?
True, the evidence shows he did not need to use nukes to enter Ukraine.
The point was to counter Roy who was discounting the possibility of this confrontation going nuclear. It could go nuclear by misstep and miscalculation, or it could go nuclear purposely. In either case, the consequences would be dire, for I think the odds of being able to have a ‘limited’ nuclear confrontation without it spiraling out of control to something dire are low.
Putin was well aware of the MAD doctrine, as well, when he entered Ukraine.
MAD no longer applies. Does anyone REALLY think is competent enough to go through the launch code procedure in under 3 minutes? Both Russia and China realize this is their golden opportunity to do whatever they want, including destroying the USA before it can even respond.
Your latter scenario is not part of MAD doctrine.
However, maybe they do think longer-term protracted communist infiltration and moral degradation is the means to weaken and eventually destroy the USA.
Putin was well aware of the MAD doctrine, as well, when he entered Ukraine.
MAD no longer applies. Does anyone REALLY think is competent enough to go through the launch code procedure in under 3 minutes? Both Russia and China realize this is their golden opportunity to do whatever they want, including destroying the USA before it can even respond.
Of Course Putin can go through the Launch Code in 3 Minutes, I know the Media think he is just some illiterate Man who somehow got Power, but he is actually pretty smart.
True. Only in the situation where Putin lacks the capability of true MAD deterrence does that work. Unlikely their nuclear systems have degraded that much.
Harambe is now a nuclear expert. Seriously go eat a bag of dix. Like a 50 gallon sized bag of monkey pox infected dix.
Bro, I'm literally spouting obvious stuff to get involved in the convo. Nothing I said approaches a vague semblance of 'expert' material.
Putin was well aware of the MAD doctrine, as well, when he entered Ukraine.
MAD no longer applies. Does anyone REALLY think is competent enough to go through the launch code procedure in under 3 minutes? Both Russia and China realize this is their golden opportunity to do whatever they want, including destroying the USA before it can even respond.
If there are any concerns about doomsday chain of command, it's with Russia
If there are any concerns about doomsday chain of command, it's with Russia
Unlike Biden, who regularly gets lost on stage and needs to be directed around by his wife, nobody thinks Putin would struggle to enter a series of launch codes.
If there are any concerns about doomsday chain of command, it's with Russia
Unlike Biden, who regularly gets lost on stage and needs to be directed around by his wife, nobody thinks Putin would struggle to enter a series of launch codes.
Unlike the US, which just stages middle-school drama quality coups performed by soyed out incels, Russia may actually have 'deep state' dysfunction and impending regime change.
Unlike Biden, who regularly gets lost on stage and needs to be directed around by his wife, nobody thinks Putin would struggle to enter a series of launch codes.
Unlike the US, which just stages middle-school drama quality coups performed by soyed out incels, Russia may actually have 'deep state' dysfunction and impending regime change.
Putin has no sons. Putin's daughters have nothing to do with leading Russia. Of course some day someone besides V. Putin will be leader of Russia. What makes you believe the next leader of Russia will be someone like Gorbachev? What makes you believe after all this a Putin successor will be U.S. friendly? Btw., citizens of former Soviet Union believe Gorbachev was flipped by U.S. Are hoping U.S. has a groomed successor waiting to take over Russia? Seems like a plot to an entertaining movie.
Unlike the US, which just stages middle-school drama quality coups performed by soyed out incels, Russia may actually have 'deep state' dysfunction and impending regime change.
Putin has no sons. Putin's daughters have nothing to do with leading Russia. Of course some day someone besides V. Putin will be leader of Russia. What makes you believe the next leader of Russia will be someone like Gorbachev? What makes you believe after all this a Putin successor will be U.S. friendly? Btw., citizens of former Soviet Union believe Gorbachev was flipped by U.S. Are hoping U.S. has a groomed successor waiting to take over Russia? Seems like a plot to an entertaining movie.
Nah, I don't care what happens to Russia. I'm just saying that I'm far more confident in the US chain of command right now than Russia -- which is in the act of losing the most humiliating war in European history.
I spend all last night researching where in the US would be the likely first target of a nuke and how much an effective bomb shelter would cost to build. I know this probably isn't healthy but this guy has 6,000 nukes and I don't trust the Media that he's "bluffing."
Grow up, get a hold of yourself. If you had said your minor kids were afraid, you'd have some standing. Now you just look like a sensitive Karen type.
I spend all last night researching where in the US would be the likely first target of a nuke and how much an effective bomb shelter would cost to build. I know this probably isn't healthy but this guy has 6,000 nukes and I don't trust the Media that he's "bluffing."
I truly don’t care about a nuclear war strike possibility. Death is hardly terrifying, surviving a strike injured and/or sick by radiation is, but the likelihood of a strike on US soil that maims but doesn’t kill me seems small enough to not be worth worrying about.
Unless you are living in the biggest cities or next to a nuke base, the chances of you surviving (the initial nuclear exchange) are much greater than you getting instantly incinerated. Even if all of Putin's nukes land, which they wouldn't, most projections are that no more than around 10% of the population would be killed instantly.
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Putin was well aware of the MAD doctrine, as well, when he entered Ukraine.
MAD no longer applies. Does anyone REALLY think is competent enough to go through the launch code procedure in under 3 minutes? Both Russia and China realize this is their golden opportunity to do whatever they want, including destroying the USA before it can even respond.
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Dude, what are they paying you for this drivel? One rouble is one too many for that crap.
I truly don’t care about a nuclear war strike possibility. Death is hardly terrifying, surviving a strike injured and/or sick by radiation is, but the likelihood of a strike on US soil that maims but doesn’t kill me seems small enough to not be worth worrying about.
Unless you are living in the biggest cities or next to a nuke base, the chances of you surviving (the initial nuclear exchange) are much greater than you getting instantly incinerated. Even if all of Putin's nukes land, which they wouldn't, most projections are that no more than around 10% of the population would be killed instantly.
Putin was well aware of the MAD doctrine, as well, when he entered Ukraine.
MAD no longer applies. Does anyone REALLY think is competent enough to go through the launch code procedure in under 3 minutes? Both Russia and China realize this is their golden opportunity to do whatever they want, including destroying the USA before it can even respond.
Of course MAD still applies. Our nuclear Triad consists of land launched launched, sub launched, ballistic missiles and bombers. Response is assured. Why do you keep saying 3 minutes? Just stop troll.
Hmmm... You'd have had a bad time if you had been alive back during the Cuban Missile Crisis...
I was. We lived on a Strategic Air Command (SAC) base, with ICBM silos nearby. It would have been the first target for Soviet nukes. And honestly we really didn't worry much.
In reality you may have been in the safest place in America. Back then both sides employed a second strike policy which targeted the opponents cities. A first strike policy would involve targeting the opponents missile sites. But the difficulty with this was the opponent would have several minutes warning and that would be enough time to launch their missiles. When your missiles arrive they would hit empty missile silos. So both sides opted for second strike with MAD being the end result.
I don't know what the policy is now. A crippling cyber attack in advance of a nuclear strike may make a first strike policy feasible. But even then the math is scary. If Russia has 6000 nukes and your first strike takes out 90% of them before they are launched, they still get 600 off the ground. If your anti missile systems take out 90% of those before they strike, 60 still get through. That is probably twenty cities destroyed.
I truly don’t care about a nuclear war strike possibility. Death is hardly terrifying, surviving a strike injured and/or sick by radiation is, but the likelihood of a strike on US soil that maims but doesn’t kill me seems small enough to not be worth worrying about.
Unless you are living in the biggest cities or next to a nuke base, the chances of you surviving (the initial nuclear exchange) are much greater than you getting instantly incinerated. Even if all of Putin's nukes land, which they wouldn't, most projections are that no more than around 10% of the population would be killed instantly.
That percentage is relevant only in the event that there is a coordinated nuclear strike blanket-covering most of the US. I don’t see anything beyond a strike targeting one or two cities in the US as a realistic possibility by any adversary. It’s easier to just let Russia have Ukraine.
Another consideration is, most of the nuclear war talk is just posturing. Most of the fat cats in power are way too rich and comfortable to commit to MAD. I suppose if Putin is really dying, he might not care, but I'd imagine if it came to that someone in his inner circle would take him out first. China won't do it, and their nuclear arsenal sucks anyway. Same for North Korea. It's like two teenage boys bumping chests and acting like they want to fight, but in reality they are both just waiting for someone to break them up.