30% of 18-30 year old men in the USA are virgins

I don\'t want to be an incel wrote:

Kobbs Hessler wrote:

You pose an important question. There are real answers, but they are waaaayyy beyond the tolerance level of this board. The increasing number of voluntary and involuntary male incels will continue apace and no amount of female complaining of shaming will reverse it. This has real civilizational impact too, as society needs men to do actual, real work like... plumbing, construction, sewer maintenance, garbage collection, welding, building and maintaining electricity grids, tech innovation, search and rescue, most agriculture, etc. To put it as delicately as possible, men will only do those jobs for a carrot or to avoid a stick. Since we all agree that slavery is bad and never making a comeback, then the stick isn't an option. So the carrot better be worth it. What is that carrot? Women. But alas, the value of that reward carrot has declined, hence along with it - male productivity. That explains unmotivated men playing video games all day, never going on dates, being lackluster boyfriends/husbands. There is a fascinating new article on Substack by "Bright Eyes" called "The f--k rate is about to implode." It goes deep on your question, but requires a five alarm trigger warning for most of you.

Alex from Playing With Fire (111k subscribers) has some reasons as to this growing epidemic of sexless young men:

Video:youtu.be/zz97g5z5zZc

And no wonder guys are giving up on dating! Look at this chap here - you couldn't ask for a nicer guy. He was close friends with this girl he met online & finally got up the nerve to meet her & ask her to be his GF. The girl, not that attractive at all, brutality rejects him having the most ominous look on her face during the entire date as if it pains her to be there. So, this poor chap is probably never going to want to meet up with a girl he likes again.

Before you slicksters say "just be yourself bro" & have charisma & charm - watch how those things had zero effect in this situation. This chap is heartbroken & totally devastated! 🙁 He might as well just stay home & play video games.

$baby wrote:

Koko the Gorilla wrote:

There's nothing remotely offensive in modern, secular society about the term "body count."

There probably should be, frankly, but there isn't.

I agree to a certain extent but

(1) it is possible that the remnants of anti-feminist thinking is still pervasive enough to obfuscate the chauvinism that is at the core of sentiments like these, essentially providing a veneer of acceptability to such statements that, when examined head-on, cease to exist and

(2) different segments of society would deem this term offensive and others would not. for instance, I, as a female, don't feel particularly offended by this manner of speaking but I wouldn't seek out a male partner who engaged in conversation about "body counts" often or around me, but I highly suspect that most (all?) of my classmates in my Sex and the Law Workshop course (don't @ me, I needed an extra credit) at a traditionally liberal law school would be quite appalled... I think it comes down to the kind of bubble we each live in and it is those bubbles that frame how we perceive the world as well as our opinions of the acceptability of speech and conduct.

Koko the Gorilla wrote:

$baby wrote:

I agree to a certain extent but

(1) it is possible that the remnants of anti-feminist thinking is still pervasive enough to obfuscate the chauvinism that is at the core of sentiments like these, essentially providing a veneer of acceptability to such statements that, when examined head-on, cease to exist and

(2) different segments of society would deem this term offensive and others would not. for instance, I, as a female, don't feel particularly offended by this manner of speaking but I wouldn't seek out a male partner who engaged in conversation about "body counts" often or around me, but I highly suspect that most (all?) of my classmates in my Sex and the Law Workshop course (don't @ me, I needed an extra credit) at a traditionally liberal law school would be quite appalled... I think it comes down to the kind of bubble we each live in and it is those bubbles that frame how we perceive the world as well as our opinions of the acceptability of speech and conduct.

First of all, men don't use the term "body count" around other women (at least ones they are interested in), so a woman doesn't theoretically know whether they use this term.

Second of all, why would your "liberal" friends be appalled by the idea of a "body count"? Who are they to judge someone's desire for sex as long as it is consensual? That would be hypocritical from the rainbow flag people. Seems like modern "feminists" are trying to enforce chivalristic/traditional/religions sexual norms for men but complete liberation for women.

Koko the Gorilla wrote:

$baby wrote:

I agree to a certain extent but

(1) it is possible that the remnants of anti-feminist thinking is still pervasive enough to obfuscate the chauvinism that is at the core of sentiments like these, essentially providing a veneer of acceptability to such statements that, when examined head-on, cease to exist and

(2) different segments of society would deem this term offensive and others would not. for instance, I, as a female, don't feel particularly offended by this manner of speaking but I wouldn't seek out a male partner who engaged in conversation about "body counts" often or around me, but I highly suspect that most (all?) of my classmates in my Sex and the Law Workshop course (don't @ me, I needed an extra credit) at a traditionally liberal law school would be quite appalled... I think it comes down to the kind of bubble we each live in and it is those bubbles that frame how we perceive the world as well as our opinions of the acceptability of speech and conduct.

First of all, men don't use the term "body count" around other women (at least ones they are interested in), so a woman doesn't theoretically know whether they use this term.

Second of all, why would your "liberal" friends be appalled by the idea of a "body count"? Who are they to judge someone's desire for sex as long as it is consensual? That would be hypocritical from the rainbow flag people. Seems like modern "feminists" are trying to enforce chivalristic/traditional/religions sexual norms for men but complete liberation for women.