What was the actual model of shoe he was wearing?
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Grant Fisher Runs 12:46.96 to Smash American 5000m Record
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jabbathehut4444 wrote:
What was the actual model of shoe he was wearing?
I don't think they care. For a lot of posters here, every race and every runner is always about EPDs and Super Shoes. Not all thankfully but too many.
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RunningBecky wrote:
jabbathehut4444 wrote:
What was the actual model of shoe he was wearing?
I don't think they care. For a lot of posters here, every race and every runner is always about EPDs and Super Shoes. Not all thankfully but too many.
EPDs? I wonder what they are. I MEANT PEDs of course.
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Yeah, I'm curious as well.
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Duhhh wrote:
Just the truth wrote:
The shoes make a massive difference and anyone denying it is an idiot.
I'm a college coach and on average my athletes run 15 second faster over the 5k with new shoe technology. Sample size is well over 100.
Some super-responders improve even more.
Difference yes 6 seconds in a sub 13 5k you wouldn't know.
You have no sample size because why would anyone not wear a super shoe during a 5k race? The only reason is if they aren't taking that race seriously and that alone is going to make the difference in times.
Not every can afford them. When people put them on for the first time, they immediately run faster.
If the super shoes didn't have any effect, why is every pro wearing them? Somehow not one pro has said they'd rather run in a non-carbon fiber shoe. From that perspective the sample size is every pro athlete and the result is 100% of them think they run faster in carbon fiber shoes.
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When I found this list for most improved guys from last year to this year, the Flowers from Stony point improvement from 18:17 to 15:47 intrigued me. This team intrigued me too.
They also had a sophomore step up who was their good fifth man first meet. The interesting thing is that their 4th man last year is also their 4th man this year.
Last year they only finished 13th at regions and retained only 3 guys (which does not include Flowers).
I saw a video about them having a goal of going to state. If they make it it will be really cool. But they got work to do on that. After 13th at regionals last year and losing 4 guys. This team doesn’t have much depth considering their 6th is in the 19s but he’s only a freshman so he got lot of time to grow and improve. They lost to Austin 2 days ago. They got destroyed by round Rock too. They also lost to Westwood but would have beaten them if their 5 wasn’t too far back
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Sorry wrong thread
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I would like to buy this shoes in an auction and donate the money to charity. I would test the shoes to see if the shoes are doping.
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The smart crowd knows this.
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I love the fast shoes. I'm still the fastest 1600 and 3200 runner, and most accomplished XC runner at my high school, going on 40 years now.
It's not quite as thrilling as it was in the late-80s, say, but with the advent of Super Spikes, it has caught my attention some. At the rate things are going I'll be retired, and hope to help out with coaching, so I can watch generation after generation outright suck compared to how awesome I remain.
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trackrat wrote:
What in your background gives you the balls to say these shoes are such an advantage. Have you worn them? Quoted statistics or studies? Lots of others eat this baloney up so stop
Here are the statistics:
World men's top 100 times average for 10000m
2022 - 27:38
2021 - 27:32 (fastest average ever)
21-22 average - 27:36
previous 10 year average (not counting 2020) - 27:46
US men's top 100 times average for 10000m
2022 - 28:28 (fastest average ever)
2021 - 28:34 (2nd fastest average ever)
21-22 average - 28:33
previous 10 year average (not counting 2020) - 28:58.7
Elite US men 10000m runners for 2022 averaged 30 seconds faster than the previous 10-year average
World men's top 100 times average for 5000m
2022 - 13:09 (fastest average ever)
2021 - 13:12 (2nd fastest average ever)
21-22 average - 13:11
previous 10 year average (not counting 2020) - 13:15
US men's top 100 times average for 5000m
2022 - 13:33 (fastest average ever)
2021 - 13:34 (2nd fastest average ever)
21-22 average - 13:34
previous 10 year average (not counting 2020) - 13:43
Elite US men 5000m runners for 2021/22 averaged almost 10 seconds faster than the previous 10-year average
I'll try and condense the rest. 2022 and 2021 times for world and US men's 3000m SC, world and US women's 10000m and 5000m are the fastest averages ever. In the US women's 10000m, 2021/22 average is almost 40 seconds faster than the previous 10-year average. Comparing 2022 is almost a minute faster than it was in 2013 (32:53-33:51). 2021 was the first year ever that US women 10000m times averaged under 33 minutes - and they did so by 10 seconds. The next fastest year outside 2021/22 was 33:15 (2015) - 22 seconds slower than 2022.
Keep in mind none of this takes into account any of the various WR and AR that have occurred over the past couple years.
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