I no longer care what you think..used to..This is an All Time U.S. mark at a distance that has been run by great guys for decades. It is a World U20 #4. It is an OUTSTANDING performance, not a Ho-hum. As I said elsewhere, every guy in this race had run either 1:45 or 3:33.x
What do Hobbs's two great races have in common? He had no pressure to place, and the race was super fast. Being on the outside with Wightman and the pacesetter kind of forced him to tuck in behind that fast group. He looked relaxed and was able to kick at the end.
Not hostile at all, just being honest. I think you really need to look at the All Time U.S. list to put this in perspective. Every guy ran monster marks surrounding their 1000's. My whole point is, the way things had been going , I knew he was in much better form than his opener and then that 1:49.35 , and today he went by the 800 in 1:49.4 and finished in 27.0 or so. not getting chewed up in last 100, only .47 away from Hoppel(who had not been running well, but is still a proven U.S. star). I think this a good , good day for him, and the future of U.S. 1500M running.
I was wrong on one thing, Josh Thompson did not have the marks coming in that I referenced, my apologies.Oh, and Hessler, I am pretty happy enough ..the point was, it was much more played off as an okay within his ability type of run..which based on where he was..I would have thought and so did Thoughstleader that, this would be 2:17/18 maybe? What also happened here is he did not stall or back up in last 100M as he had in other races..he maintained his position and came in well.
Not hostile at all, just being honest. I think you really need to look at the All Time U.S. list to put this in perspective. Every guy ran monster marks surrounding their 1000's. My whole point is, the way things had been going , I knew he was in much better form than his opener and then that 1:49.35 , and today he went by the 800 in 1:49.4 and finished in 27.0 or so. not getting chewed up in last 100, only .47 away from Hoppel(who had not been running well, but is still a proven U.S. star). I think this a good , good day for him, and the future of U.S. 1500M running.
Yeah again it is a great run and basically backs up last years 3:34 to a degree we hadn’t quite seen this year. I’m less concerned about the 1000 list as you that’s all. He passed the eyes test and was right there with a pack of solid if not spectacular (this season) guys. Big breakthrough for how the seasons gone. Hope there’s a 1500 to be run because I think 3:34 or 3:35 is possible. When you say we are acting ho-hum or it’s within him, that’s only to say after the 3:34 a 2:16, a 1:46 and a 7:45 3k all seem plausible even from a pure 1500 guy. But it’s to Hobbs and Warhurst’s credit that despite some struggles he’s looking like the guy we saw last year. They’ve stuck with it and the season could end on a further high not, but even if not this is more what we wanted to see.
Nick Willis’ PBs outside of his 1500 are weak and not reflective of his abilities. So if his 800 is mediocre (1:45.5) and a time he’s intimated he bettered in time trials, what are you thinking for his 1,000?
Let’s put it this way so people can conceptualize. The 1000m WR is a pretty good record (2:11.96). The 800 is otherworldly (1:40.9). 2:16.4 is 4.5 seconds off, back of the envelope math has that as 3.6 seconds in an 800 if you want to account for the shorter distance. So if the records were equivalent (they’re not) this would resemble a 1:44.5. More likely 2:11.96 is worth around a 1:42.0 or 1:41.7. That would mark this more like a 1:45.5 type equivalent. That’s where I’m at and again that is great running for Hobbs. But I’m concerned about the time and performance level, not lists.
Not sure why he didn’t run the world u 20 . could of been a nice stepping stone with a medal . The Brit’s and Aussie do that . They care about all this age group stuff and they are nice achievements regardless of the comp or time . Maybe Warhurst thought he was too good for that event .IDK .
After a very subpar season this is def the best race
What do Hobbs's two great races have in common? He had no pressure to place, and the race was super fast. Being on the outside with Wightman and the pacesetter kind of forced him to tuck in behind that fast group. He looked relaxed and was able to kick at the end.
Yeah he really runs great marks when he is in a stacked field and no one expects him to be be a contender and therefore has less pressure : the 3:57 indoor mile, the 3:34 1500m and this 2:16 1000m, all seemingly out of nowhere.
Not sure why he didn’t run the world u 20 . could of been a nice stepping stone with a medal . The Brit’s and Aussie do that . They care about all this age group stuff and they are nice achievements regardless of the comp or time . Maybe Warhurst thought he was too good for that event .IDK .
After a very subpar season this is def the best race
The reason is we put our senior and Junior champs in the same week. I’d like to think that if he’d had the chance to run both he would have done Juniors after not making the US final. The top 3 likely would have been well out of reach but around top 5 or 6…sure
No you are 100% right. 2.16.46 is outstanding no matter which way you spin it and Wightmans sub 2.14 is probably the most underrated performance of the night.
Look these "off" distances - especially the 1000m which is so rarely run, are hard to execute even for the most experienced guys, let alone a kid that bigger picture is super new to running and running as a pro. I would say even a seasoned pro would need to run 2-3 1000m races to know what the best way to run it for them is, so for Kessler to just front and pop 2.16 first up is outstanding. Hey, his mentor Willis had run 1.45 and 3.30 and been running as a pro almost 5 years and ran 2.16.58 (yeah thats slower) which should put this in perspective for you idiots that think this was just "okay".
Again I’m not trying to take a dump on Hobbs. Shane Streich ran 2:16.1 in his first and only 1000m run indoors. I don’t get this rush to misrepresent the time or performance. It is very good, his second best ever and it was great to see him competitive in the pack. But 2:16 is not a harbinger of running 3:32 or 1:44. It is running 1:49 and kicking. Many guys can do it and did it today. Many more not in the field could. Hobbs is young and promising. This was great for him to look like he did at his best last year.