80% of new IRS revenue will come from small businesses earning under $200K: tax experts

joedlrt wrote:

king999 wrote:

Joedirt..good point, Amazon has already taken pre emptive measures, their work force in total is down by over 100,000. All this crap will do, is add 81,000 IRS bird dogs..really? WE need that, at an added what? $80B in payroll alone, forget about the added IT and other requirements? And make Corporations downsize immediately in one form or another. So, just when Biden and his band of incompetents think that THEY just got all these people back to work and "CREATED" what a lark that term is...new jobs? Wait until you see the fall out from this. They created NOTHING, it's just people going back to work that finally had to..from leaving suring the Pandemic, I have said this for months on end. Created what? What?

The worst things about many of these government spending programs is that they focus on creating government jobs rather than private sector jobs. A large portion of the American Rescue Plan went to shoring up government and union pension plans that had been mismanaged (and over promised). The so-called Inflation Reduction Act creates a bunch of IRS jobs, and some Green New Deal jobs, but basically will shrink every other industry through taxation. Essentially it grows government by taxing everybody else.

TaxDodgerGetGot wrote:

joedlrt wrote:

The worst things about many of these government spending programs is that they focus on creating government jobs rather than private sector jobs. A large portion of the American Rescue Plan went to shoring up government and union pension plans that had been mismanaged (and over promised). The so-called Inflation Reduction Act creates a bunch of IRS jobs, and some Green New Deal jobs, but basically will shrink every other industry through taxation. Essentially it grows government by taxing everybody else.

Obvious untruths and twisting in these posts. Government jobs are required to run government programs, things that NO private company would or should ever do; things like planning and managing infrastructure, enforcing regulations and collecting taxes, enforcing laws, engaging in spy craft, maintaining the national aerospace system, etc. etc. People who b-tch about government jobs have NO clue what they are talking about.

Second, good government jobs are some of the ONLY ones left that actually provide decent wages and benefits. The private sector has been happy to let its people become gig-wage-slaves without any pensions and it's not going to be long before all of us will be asked to pay for that through enhanced social security and the like. A pension that is offered as part of a compensation package is NEVER overpromised. It is a part of the package, something that employees build their entire life plan around for decades. Executives should go to prison when pensions fall apart. Of course, in the good 'ole USofA, executives and capitalists always come out just fine while the working and middle classes eat sh-t.

Last, the US offers the most meager social safety net and the worst, most expensive medical system in the western world, AND some of the lowest overall taxes. Our tax system has also become increasingly regressive as the affluent tend to pay at FAR lower overall rates than the working and middle classes. I would MUCH rather pay more taxes and enjoy the level of benefits, pension and medical system offered in ANY European country. It's a damned shame that awful puritanism and unbridled capitalistic ugliness have never been brought to heel in the US.

joedlrt wrote:

TaxDodgerGetGot wrote:

Obvious untruths and twisting in these posts. Government jobs are required to run government programs, things that NO private company would or should ever do; things like planning and managing infrastructure, enforcing regulations and collecting taxes, enforcing laws, engaging in spy craft, maintaining the national aerospace system, etc. etc. People who b-tch about government jobs have NO clue what they are talking about.

Second, good government jobs are some of the ONLY ones left that actually provide decent wages and benefits. The private sector has been happy to let its people become gig-wage-slaves without any pensions and it's not going to be long before all of us will be asked to pay for that through enhanced social security and the like. A pension that is offered as part of a compensation package is NEVER overpromised. It is a part of the package, something that employees build their entire life plan around for decades. Executives should go to prison when pensions fall apart. Of course, in the good 'ole USofA, executives and capitalists always come out just fine while the working and middle classes eat sh-t.

Last, the US offers the most meager social safety net and the worst, most expensive medical system in the western world, AND some of the lowest overall taxes. Our tax system has also become increasingly regressive as the affluent tend to pay at FAR lower overall rates than the working and middle classes. I would MUCH rather pay more taxes and enjoy the level of benefits, pension and medical system offered in ANY European country. It's a damned shame that awful puritanism and unbridled capitalistic ugliness have never been brought to heel in the US.

Spoken like a true government employee (who comprise 18% of the workforce). All pensions (be they public or private) are ultimately dependent upon the health of the market (just like every other private retirement program). The only difference is public employees and union employees feel that their retirements should be immune from market fluctuations and guaranteed by the government, which is not realistic. The taxpayers (75% of whom are neither government nor union employees) were tasked with shoring up underfunded pension programs for these government and union employees as part of the American Rescue Plan. That is a gross injustice and shows how politicians set their own self interests ahead of those of their constituents.

joedlrt wrote:

TaxDodgerGetGot wrote:

Obvious untruths and twisting in these posts. Government jobs are required to run government programs, things that NO private company would or should ever do; things like planning and managing infrastructure, enforcing regulations and collecting taxes, enforcing laws, engaging in spy craft, maintaining the national aerospace system, etc. etc. People who b-tch about government jobs have NO clue what they are talking about.

Second, good government jobs are some of the ONLY ones left that actually provide decent wages and benefits. The private sector has been happy to let its people become gig-wage-slaves without any pensions and it's not going to be long before all of us will be asked to pay for that through enhanced social security and the like. A pension that is offered as part of a compensation package is NEVER overpromised. It is a part of the package, something that employees build their entire life plan around for decades. Executives should go to prison when pensions fall apart. Of course, in the good 'ole USofA, executives and capitalists always come out just fine while the working and middle classes eat sh-t.

Last, the US offers the most meager social safety net and the worst, most expensive medical system in the western world, AND some of the lowest overall taxes. Our tax system has also become increasingly regressive as the affluent tend to pay at FAR lower overall rates than the working and middle classes. I would MUCH rather pay more taxes and enjoy the level of benefits, pension and medical system offered in ANY European country. It's a damned shame that awful puritanism and unbridled capitalistic ugliness have never been brought to heel in the US.

Spoken like a true government employee (who comprise 18% of the workforce). All pensions (be they public or private) are ultimately dependent upon the health of the market (just like every other private retirement program). The only difference is public employees and union employees feel that their retirements should be immune from market fluctuations and guaranteed by the government, which is not realistic. The taxpayers (75% of whom are neither government nor union employees) were tasked with shoring up underfunded pension programs for these government and union employees as part of the American Rescue Plan. That is a gross injustice and shows how politicians set their own self interests ahead of those of their constituents.

TaxDodgerGetGot wrote:

joedlrt wrote:

Spoken like a true government employee (who comprise 18% of the workforce). All pensions (be they public or private) are ultimately dependent upon the health of the market (just like every other private retirement program). The only difference is public employees and union employees feel that their retirements should be immune from market fluctuations and guaranteed by the government, which is not realistic. The taxpayers (75% of whom are neither government nor union employees) were tasked with shoring up underfunded pension programs for these government and union employees as part of the American Rescue Plan. That is a gross injustice and shows how politicians set their own self interests ahead of those of their constituents.

You are such a bad faith poster, as is typical of right wingers, that it's not worth responding to you anymore. Everything you wrote in the post above is either factually wrong or twisted so as to represent utter untruth.

I'll leave you with this: just like your hero Ayn Rand, you'll be drawing social security and getting your medical care from Medicare in old age, which is to say that you will be reliant on government programs, run by government bureaucrats, just like the rest of us. You are a hypocrite and bad faith actor.