yup. it's a game of patience, especially with women. I don't think alberto had a lot of experience coaching 16-20 year old girls, so he probably didn't understand this process. It's an area of ignorance for an otherwise all-world coach. Alberto is not an evil person. No doubt, he thought he was doing the best thing for her running career.
anyway, under the gun, I just don't think senior level success was in the cards for her. That's not defending what he did, I just don't think he is the reason she ultimately was not able to succeed.
What makes you think this? What evidence do you have? A girl was running world class times with minimal training. It's totally possible that with the right training she could have improved. It's ridiculous to be so dismissive. Look at Tuohy, improving and improving.
Evil is a silly term in general, but I think Alberto did plenty to show that he's not a good person. The way he treated Yoder-Begley wasn't an angry outburst from someone filled with emotion but calculated and malicious. And I'm tired of someone playing fast and loose with prescription pills treated like a "passionate" coach. At best, he's an idiot. Who messes around with that stuff? At worse, he is inhumane with a blatant disregard for athlete health.
Oh and there's that pesky sexual abuse conviction from safe sport.
like many others, she wasn't a candle that was meant to burn long. she is very young. she has had plenty of time to grow, repair, train, and get better. it's just not there. and you can't put all that blame on salazar. it was she and her family that sought out coaching and training separate from her high school team. It was they who made the decision to send her out there as a young teen. They are the ones who didn't have the patience to let things come to them at a reasonable rate. they wanted it all and they wanted it all as soon as possible.
alberto thought he had the girl version of galen rupp and he went for it.
What makes you think this? What evidence do you have? A girl was running world class times with minimal training. It's totally possible that with the right training she could have improved. It's ridiculous to be so dismissive. Look at Tuohy, improving and improving.
Evil is a silly term in general, but I think Alberto did plenty to show that he's not a good person. The way he treated Yoder-Begley wasn't an angry outburst from someone filled with emotion but calculated and malicious. And I'm tired of someone playing fast and loose with prescription pills treated like a "passionate" coach. At best, he's an idiot. Who messes around with that stuff? At worse, he is inhumane with a blatant disregard for athlete health.
Oh and there's that pesky sexual abuse conviction from safe sport.
like many others, she wasn't a candle that was meant to burn long. she is very young. she has had plenty of time to grow, repair, train, and get better. it's just not there. and you can't put all that blame on salazar. it was she and her family that sought out coaching and training separate from her high school team. It was they who made the decision to send her out there as a young teen. They are the ones who didn't have the patience to let things come to them at a reasonable rate. they wanted it all and they wanted it all as soon as possible.
alberto thought he had the girl version of galen rupp and he went for it.
It’s clear that you haven’t actually read anything about her story and are just making things up.
mary was bullied off her team. She didn’t go to Salazar because she “wanted it all at once” she was actually going to quit running before he called.
”it’s just not there” how exactly do you know? Like how do you know it’s “just not there” do you have a sixth sense for these things?
Salazar forced her into an eating disorder and she broke five bones, enough to derail any career.
you’re a high school coach? I really hope you don’t coach or even go near high school girls
I've got the perfect metabolism for distance running. My wife watches me eat so much fast food and can't believe I'm not obese.
(1) No you don’t
(2) you may not be obese yet, but you’re getting there. You do not look healthy at all in your recent videos. It’s no wonder that you gorge in fast food. You have the money to eat healthy, why do you eat so much garbage?
She should spend a few months cycling and see where she stands in that sport. Have a feeling she could be pretty successful.
Did you miss Mary Cain's brief triathlon career this year where she told Triathlete magazine she is a professional triathlete and training with world class pros under Coach Paula? Let me tell you, it was not about the bike.
thats probably true.usually the only way teen phenoms can improve and have long careers is to take drugs.they peak too young,otherwise.mary was every bit as talented as jakob ingebritsen and sydney mclaughlin.
Mary Cain doesn't have the discipline to be a top class athlete. She has a pretty similar career trajectory as a junior to the UK's Jessica Judd, except Jessica seems to have been one year behind Mary in development and didn't run all those 5000m 3000m track races against seniors while still a child. She did run 1.59 for 800m aged 18 though and was several times English schools cross country champion. This year aged 28, she ran 30.35 for 10000m in the World Championships, one place behind McColgan, where she also finished in the 5000m, and she just ran 5th in that 10000m at the Commonwealth Games 2 nights ago.
The US obsession with schoolchild athletes is a bit...disturbing. Reading about adult men discussing in detail how fast children are is so strange. The emphasis in the UK is on development at that age, rather than an obsession with winning championships and running for a college. Athletes sometimes get slower when they go to university but some come back to the sport seriously like Jessica and Eilish and work hard and put up with not winning everything but slowly improving and putting in the hard work necessary to achieve that.
It might be that Mary Cain is suited to longer distances because now she is an adult, she simply doesn't have the speed. I wish she had some good people around her with common sense to tell her she can't expect to win everything as a senior just because she did so as a junior, but that she still has talent and that she has to find a training regime that works for her, accept she might fail but to do everything that all the other elite racers are doing to get better. But her parents seem to have instilled a belief in her that she is somehow so special, so talented, that failure can never be due to her own deficiencies. Also: very unwise, pushy parents to send her to a professional coaching group run by Salazar instead of remaining with her peers. Perhaps in a few years time, she will sue her parents...
She should spend a few months cycling and see where she stands in that sport. Have a feeling she could be pretty successful.
I'm familiar with cycling metrics and I follow her on Strava, and she's an awful cyclist. She will regularly do rides around 100 watts, and has a hard time hitting 200 for any significant distance. And this is after months of riding.
She's like many, many boys and girls who do not turn out to have professional-level bodies and abilities after high school. Plenty of her peers realized this early, and now have actual jobs and probably make 3x what she does (e.g., Alana Hadley).
Or maybe she mints on her social media stuff -- what the hell do I know.
PS to the Brojos: it took me 20 minutes to write this because of all the pop-up ads on the site. I can't even read the message board on my iPhone any longer. There has to be a better way...
Mary Cain doesn't have the discipline to be a top class athlete. She has a pretty similar career trajectory as a junior to the UK's Jessica Judd, except Jessica seems to have been one year behind Mary in development and didn't run all those 5000m 3000m track races against seniors while still a child. She did run 1.59 for 800m aged 18 though and was several times English schools cross country champion. This year aged 28, she ran 30.35 for 10000m in the World Championships, one place behind McColgan, where she also finished in the 5000m, and she just ran 5th in that 10000m at the Commonwealth Games 2 nights ago.
The US obsession with schoolchild athletes is a bit...disturbing. Reading about adult men discussing in detail how fast children are is so strange. The emphasis in the UK is on development at that age, rather than an obsession with winning championships and running for a college. Athletes sometimes get slower when they go to university but some come back to the sport seriously like Jessica and Eilish and work hard and put up with not winning everything but slowly improving and putting in the hard work necessary to achieve that.
It might be that Mary Cain is suited to longer distances because now she is an adult, she simply doesn't have the speed. I wish she had some good people around her with common sense to tell her she can't expect to win everything as a senior just because she did so as a junior, but that she still has talent and that she has to find a training regime that works for her, accept she might fail but to do everything that all the other elite racers are doing to get better. But her parents seem to have instilled a belief in her that she is somehow so special, so talented, that failure can never be due to her own deficiencies. Also: very unwise, pushy parents to send her to a professional coaching group run by Salazar instead of remaining with her peers. Perhaps in a few years time, she will sue her parents...
You’re saying that it’s not possible for women to experience physical changes that make it impossible to become world class runners or even retain their form from HS? She obviously trained hard under Salazar so why didn’t she improve?
As for her current situation, she said her injuries have had permanent negative effects that will prevent her from ever becoming an elite runner again. That has happened to many runners besides Mary.
She simply developed a moms bod. To combat that takes extreme dietary discipline. To compete with best distance runners in the world takes obsession.
Not a fan of NOP but they knew that mom bods weren’t competing at that level and thus not making Nike money. It’s a cruel business but it is what it is. The woke think everything should be puppies and ice cream. She simply didn’t have the dietary discipline to deal with developing a mom bod. We all don’t get to have our 16 year old metabolism forever.
LRC Note: We deleted this post at one point but while offensive, we have put it back up as people are allowed to have offensive opinions. Our biggest problem with the post is the poster implies that everyone with proper dietary discipline can have a world-class distance running body, which isn't the case. And "dietary discipline" can very well be extremely dangerous eating habits that could cause long term damage.
This post is in no way offensive, especially no more offensive than saying someone has a "dad-bod." It's not truthful, just uncomfortably true, and people can't tell the difference.
Mary Cain doesn't have the discipline to be a top class athlete. She has a pretty similar career trajectory as a junior to the UK's Jessica Judd, except Jessica seems to have been one year behind Mary in development and didn't run all those 5000m 3000m track races against seniors while still a child. She did run 1.59 for 800m aged 18 though and was several times English schools cross country champion. This year aged 28, she ran 30.35 for 10000m in the World Championships, one place behind McColgan, where she also finished in the 5000m, and she just ran 5th in that 10000m at the Commonwealth Games 2 nights ago.
The US obsession with schoolchild athletes is a bit...disturbing. Reading about adult men discussing in detail how fast children are is so strange. The emphasis in the UK is on development at that age, rather than an obsession with winning championships and running for a college. Athletes sometimes get slower when they go to university but some come back to the sport seriously like Jessica and Eilish and work hard and put up with not winning everything but slowly improving and putting in the hard work necessary to achieve that.
It might be that Mary Cain is suited to longer distances because now she is an adult, she simply doesn't have the speed. I wish she had some good people around her with common sense to tell her she can't expect to win everything as a senior just because she did so as a junior, but that she still has talent and that she has to find a training regime that works for her, accept she might fail but to do everything that all the other elite racers are doing to get better. But her parents seem to have instilled a belief in her that she is somehow so special, so talented, that failure can never be due to her own deficiencies. Also: very unwise, pushy parents to send her to a professional coaching group run by Salazar instead of remaining with her peers. Perhaps in a few years time, she will sue her parents...
This is a weird take. People are interested in up-and-coming juniors because they are often who becomes the best adult runners. You think it's "disturbing" that people were excited in Jakob running 3:56 at age 16? That's strange to you?
She simply developed a moms bod. To combat that takes extreme dietary discipline. To compete with best distance runners in the world takes obsession.
Not a fan of NOP but they knew that mom bods weren’t competing at that level and thus not making Nike money. It’s a cruel business but it is what it is. The woke think everything should be puppies and ice cream. She simply didn’t have the dietary discipline to deal with developing a mom bod. We all don’t get to have our 16 year old metabolism forever.
LRC Note: We deleted this post at one point but while offensive, we have put it back up as people are allowed to have offensive opinions. Our biggest problem with the post is the poster implies that everyone with proper dietary discipline can have a world-class distance running body, which isn't the case. And "dietary discipline" can very well be extremely dangerous eating habits that could cause long term damage.
This post is in no way offensive, especially no more offensive than saying someone has a "dad-bod." It's not truthful, just uncomfortably true, and people can't tell the difference.