Jakob's ability in the 10k right now

Koko the Gorilla wrote:

Ghost of Jim Ryun wrote:

Nah there is no way he could run 26:30 training for 1500/5000 without some more specific work, probably closer to 27:00. 26:30 with a cycle of 10,000 training possibly.

I don't care how much threshold he does, you aren't gonna run top 5 all time in the 10,000 without specific prep.

He ran 2617, in May, no pacers after 4km, no wavelights, off PURE 5k training.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

12:45 and 26:30 are proportional times that a 5/10K runner would accomplish and Jakob is clearly a 1500/5000m guy. Even if he focused on the 10000m, he’s always going to better at 5K. Aerobic monsters are not uncommon at the Olympics.

If Jakob were to set out for PBs right now with wavelight and top pacers, I think the marks his team would target are 12:40 and 26:30. Yes, I'd have more confidence in the 5,000m goal but he believes and probably has good reason to believe based on his testing and workouts he can run really well at 10,000. Executing is a different matter especially over 25 laps.

Glass half full wrote:

If he can run 12.45, which I'm sure he can, then he can run 26.30

If heat dissipation was a problem for him he wouldn't have outclassed everyone in the heat of Eugene in the 5000.

Might not suit him wrote:

Glass half full wrote:

If he can run 12.45, which I'm sure he can, then he can run 26.30

If heat dissipation was a problem for him he wouldn't have outclassed everyone in the heat of Eugene in the 5000.

Possibly, probably - not a lock 🤷‍♂️. I've seen plenty that can't translate their 5,000m to 10,000m on the track.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Might not suit him wrote:

Possibly, probably - not a lock 🤷‍♂️. I've seen plenty that can't translate their 5,000m to 10,000m on the track.

More accurately, it’s whether they can be equally good in the 1500m and 10000m.

high school xc coach wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

More accurately, it’s whether they can be equally good in the 1500m and 10000m.

Mo Farah has an interesting spread (note: i only assigned the outdoor value of 1248 for the 2 mile instead of the 1292 assigned for indoor tracks)

1500: 1262

3000: 1248

5000: 1235

10000: 1248

HM: 1205

M: 1241

SDSU Aztec wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

Mo Farah has an interesting spread (note: i only assigned the outdoor value of 1248 for the 2 mile instead of the 1292 assigned for indoor tracks)

1500: 1262

3000: 1248

5000: 1235

10000: 1248

HM: 1205

M: 1241

Farah was freakishly talented. Some posters claim that he won WC or Olympic Gold Medals because he ran in a less competitive era or because people were afraid to push the pace against him, but I doubt if there has ever been a runner that could have gapped him.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Farah was freakishly talented. Some posters claim that he won WC or Olympic Gold Medals because he ran in a less competitive era or because people were afraid to push the pace against him, but I doubt if there has ever been a runner that could have gapped him.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

Mo Farah has an interesting spread (note: i only assigned the outdoor value of 1248 for the 2 mile instead of the 1292 assigned for indoor tracks)

1500: 1262

3000: 1248

5000: 1235

10000: 1248

HM: 1205

M: 1241

Farah was freakishly talented. Some posters claim that he won WC or Olympic Gold Medals because he ran in a less competitive era or because people were afraid to push the pace against him, but I doubt if there has ever been a runner that could have gapped him.

Hdoer wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Farah was freakishly talented. Some posters claim that he won WC or Olympic Gold Medals because he ran in a less competitive era or because people were afraid to push the pace against him, but I doubt if there has ever been a runner that could have gapped him.

Mo Farah was indeed FREAKISHLY talented. That explains why at age 25 he was a guy with bests of:

3:38 7:38 13:07 27:44

Hdoer wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Farah was freakishly talented. Some posters claim that he won WC or Olympic Gold Medals because he ran in a less competitive era or because people were afraid to push the pace against him, but I doubt if there has ever been a runner that could have gapped him.

Mo Farah was indeed FREAKISHLY talented. That explains why at age 25 he was a guy with bests of:

3:38 7:38 13:07 27:44

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Hdoer wrote:

Mo Farah was indeed FREAKISHLY talented. That explains why at age 25 he was a guy with bests of:

3:38 7:38 13:07 27:44

Anytime accusations of doping are brought into a comparison of athletes, the discussion becomes meaningless.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

In 2009-2010 it must be said that Mo Farah showed something. Sub-3:34 1500, 7:34i, 12:57, 5,000. Obviously he made a huge leap post-Salazar, but the leap from before 2009 to his '09-'10 level was significant

Hdoer wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Anytime accusations of doping are brought into a comparison of athletes, the discussion becomes meaningless.

No it does NOT. Please educate yourself. You said Farah was freakishly talented. I showed that he really wasn’t. Farah was an also ran who was routinely disposed of in major championships until the unethical Alberto got ahold of him. Facts are stubborn things.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Hdoer wrote:

No it does NOT. Please educate yourself. You said Farah was freakishly talented. I showed that he really wasn’t. Farah was an also ran who was routinely disposed of in major championships until the unethical Alberto got ahold of him. Facts are stubborn things.

It’s not a fact that he cheated. Many posters believe every member of BTC cheats. Is that a fact? Does everyone think Jakob is clean?