140 miles per week.

Not too old, that is some incredible improvement for one year. Could you give some more details about your training during that period? It is especially interesting that the mileage helped your sprint speed so much.

Malmo, When do you think it is too much mileage? Can someone run well off 200 miles per week? Do you think people have a ceiling on how much they can handle? Or do you think it is just an individual thing where some people might be able to run well off of say 200 miles per week? I mean that is just over 28 miles a day. If indeed everyone has an individual ceiling,once you get to that ceiling the only way you will improve is to run it faster.

u lie mudafuka.. either u sense of counting miles or measuring them (that's for sure) is f***ed up... or you are just okay with being able to BS urself.

i like this thread... you guys should keep talking about your training so i can avoid studying for finals. word.

I ended up getting to 140 for two weeks in late September. My limit appears to be in the range in the 140\'s. Anything above that forces me to run 3x per day and that\'s where the crashing point is. I would suggest running high volume in singles during the winter phase.

NIKE FREE ME wrote:

wondering.. wrote:

nike free, do you ever run any interals or vo2 workouts?

i dont see the need to do much intervals or v02 workouts mostly b/c im focusing on long term devolopment now. until i feel like i'v maxed out my aerobic improvement, what can these workouts do for my longterm that perfecting my threshold level wont?

I've been thinking about this statement for a while now. How do you know when you've "maxed out your aerobic improvement"? When is the point when you decide you've done all you can for yourself aerobically before moving on to the next phase in your training?

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I've been thinking about this statement for a while now. How do you know when you've "maxed out your aerobic improvement"? When is the point when you decide you've done all you can for yourself aerobically before moving on to the next phase in your training?[/quote]

I'm hoping i'll get a sign from god. I just think i'll either know, or when i stop improving and can still maintain my fitness while trying and messing around with new things. i don't know, b/c hypothetically this system is based on effort, and all. if i get faster, and faster, should my aerobic threshold ever be "max out?" if it was really high and i was runnign 13 flat, shouldnt i still be able to run all these threshold pro runs just at a much faster pace and still get some of the same things out of it, just at a different degree of improvment?

but I guess I'll just wait till god tells me when im ready to know.

I read somewhere once that it takes 7 years.

I can't even begin to defend that statement but I did read it once- that after 7 years of full time running you will have reached your full aerobic potential- and I guess that would mean 7 years (any 7 years) past the age of 18 (or thereabouts when gains are not also growth/maturation related).

man this is some good stuff guys. figure its worth a bump

NIKE FREE ME, yours is certainly an inspiring story. I was just curious if we could get an update from you on how your indoor season went?

140 miles a week to race a 10k? please. get a life.

Indoor season updates?

Yeah I too would be interested in some updates. It would be cool to continue some of the old conversation.

God I wish I could stay healthy long enough to run super high mileage.

Eric B. wrote:

God I wish I could stay healthy long enough to run super high mileage.

Are you disciplined enough to do 8-10 min/mile by yourself in minimal shoes on soft surfaces twice/day?

I have tried all diffrent types of training and read a great deal of books on the sport and theory behind workouts.

Better running for Distince Runners, The numbers and sample workouts might have been put in there by Marten and not Coe. From what I rember reading of the book, the parts written by Coe(Peter) all made it clear that a guy who was running 15-14 at 20 with the right training by 30 should be running 14-13. And the trying cycles he put in the book had guys running 90 miles a week. We know Coe ran close to 100 miles. And I have found that my fitness gets the highest and I do my best raceing when I run about 70-100 miles busting my butt. And then up to a total of 175 with the rest done easy. Frist coach who I had was all about sprint sprint sprint. Eveyday we did something on the track hard and fast. We never did any stammina work, and I ran some damm good 200, 400, and 800 times in high school but could never get under 9:53 for the 3200 or 4:38 for the mile. Which my prs in the shorter races would have suggested I would have had no problem being a sub-4 guy speed wise. Then in college I got a coach who of all things only wanted me to run on the track once a week. And do all my running at a pace of 7min/mil or slower or a heart rate of 60-70% of my max. Hard days where not even very hard for me, go run an 8 6 4 2 and I want them in 2:10 six in 90seconds 400 in 57 secondes and the two in 25 or faster, once set each week that is. Well you know what, one day time trial day I thought shit I am going to look like an ass. Well I ended up running 9:07, 4:30 4:27, 4:25 and not feeling tired or like I was working hard for any of it. That only moving from 50-70.

Miles are like sex, when you frist startout it seems all strange you don't what the hell your doing or even if your doing the right thing. But after a few 16-32 weeks your much better then you thought you would ever be. But you have to take the leap to see.

caca dude wrote:

140 miles a week to race a 10k? please. get a life.

Haha you are posting on a messageboard about running...iftofacto YOU have no life

caca dude wrote:

140 miles a week to race a 10k? please. get a life.

Like Haile Gebrselassie or Nicholas Kemboi?

Wow, well lets see. I did not have a major improvments. But small just the same. The wierd thing is however, my speed seems to keep getting faster. Just a few weeks ago I split a 1:52 flat relay leg, and also about a month ago I split 4:04 dmr 16 split. I Did get my mile time down to 4:07, and 3k down to a new pr of 8:07ish, but far from the sub 8min goal. I only ran one 5K on the year and was sick. a real downer that caught me by surprise and keep me out of a few meets. Once that happens, half your season is gone.

Still doing the "high mileage crap." My main indoor season rested solely on hill sprints as my only form of speed work. That was the only real "all out" sprinting I did any week besides the last min of a rollin prog run. I really thought it would help my strength, however it again seemed to sharpen my speed more than anything else (hence the 2 sec drop in both the mile and 800 from outdoor PRs). Can't wait for outdoors, as long as I stay rested and on my feet. Still no injuries to speak of, and yes...I'm still in the same 3 pairs of nike frees I had since august, w/no signs of breaking down.

-Free