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Sorry. I was alluding to Rekrunner. Obvious troll.
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L'innoculateur wrote:
Yesterday I was downvoted on a other thread just for saying that it will be the comeback of Africa with the new U20 WC. Also for just posting a news of the selection of a country.
Some people in this have their heart dark of hatred.
Your African you will have them until your grave.
See the latest ISF (April 2022) in Slovakia, how some scholar of some countries dominated the Cross Country.
Don't tell me they are doping in schools...
I wont even mention the age cheating.
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Sululta wrote:
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
How about the Ethopians? When are they going to start catching them?
They already are. Many tests covered up. The Ethiopian athletics machine is very much government driven.
It's been that way for decades.
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There was another thread recently from a guy in Kenya who suggested that the unexplained absence of a Kenyan 5000m runner from the African Championships was due to a doping bust.
I wonder if Kenya are starting to do what the East Germans allegedly did - unofficially test their athletes before major championships, and if any test positive, just keep them home to avoid a scandal?
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Why is anyone still interested in what Kenyans are doing? A modern Ma's army.
You strike me as an impotent older dude who is upset that others might be enjoying themselves.
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Coevett wrote:
I wonder if Kenya are starting to do what the East Germans allegedly did - unofficially test their athletes before major championships, and if any test positive, just keep them home to avoid a scandal?
Is this what the Brits did with Burgin?
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Coevett wrote:
L'innoculateur wrote:
Yesterday I was downvoted on a other thread just for saying that it will be the comeback of Africa with the new U20 WC. Also for just posting a news of the selection of a country.
Some people in this have their heart dark of hatred.
Your African you will have them until your grave.
See the latest ISF (April 2022) in Slovakia, how some scholar of some countries dominated the Cross Country.
Don't tell me they are doping in schools...
I wont even mention the age cheating.
You mentioned it you liar.
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fada tyme wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
I find it quite credible that distance running athletes and coaches focus more on training and racing, rather than remembering drugs by the names used in anti-doping.
Unlike fans who like to gossip and read tabloids about doping, I don't see any strong reason why professional athletes or coaches should have likely heard of "nandrolone" and remembered it by name. Maybe she heard it by other names like "deca", or simply remembered it as "steroids" whenever the topic of other busts came up.
I do not find it credible that an elite athlete would not know the name of a common substance within the PED world. If you want to believe that then have it your own naive self way.
Nandrolone is more of a sprinters/weight event drug, and one that is from a long time ago with other things more common more recently. I do not think it that odd that they did not know the name.
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Coevett wrote:
L'innoculateur wrote:
Yesterday I was downvoted on a other thread just for saying that it will be the comeback of Africa with the new U20 WC. Also for just posting a news of the selection of a country.
Some people in this have their heart dark of hatred.
Your African you will have them until your grave.
See the latest ISF (April 2022) in Slovakia, how some scholar of some countries dominated the Cross Country.
Don't tell me they are doping in schools...
There's also guys like Bett and Alfred Kipketer, who shone at the world U20 championships and then got busted as seniors. Bett won gold in the 800m at the U20 championships in 2016, then won bronze in the World Championships in London in 2017 and then got busted in 2018. Do you really think he started dopin only in 2018?
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72ywhweue7u wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
For a ship that has sailed, it keeps coming back into port.
The WADA Code allowed the AIU to make statistical arguments about a national population rarely testing positive from pork during normal times which may not be applicable in exceptional cases, i.e. global supply issues during a pandemic, and for that matter, may not be wholly truthful or factual.
Shelby claimed that pork ingestion was the most likely source, and this claim remains essentially undisputed by the World Athletics, by the AIU, by the CAS and by the Swiss Courts. The CAS simply ruled that she couldn't prove the source to the burden specified by the WADA Code. No alternative source was found to be more likely.
Tygart is right that the WADA Code railroads athletes to 4-year bans, by removing any benefit of the doubt and treating athletes who do not know how they tested positive the same as intentional cheaters.
Athletes themselves removed any benefit of the doubt by denying they were doing for years or decades and finally coming clean.
Lance's Nike commercial:
What am I on?
I'm on my bike.
Floyd's defense fund.
Marion Jones.
Thise were all a lie at the time and the reason every athlete is now suspect when they have a banned substance in their system. Why should we think the Burrito story is any different?
I'm not talking about public opinion.
Tygart/USADA has cleared at least 27 athletes since 2015, while complaining about the imbalance of the WADA Code and the inherent risk of railroading these athletes to 4-year bans.
The facts in Houlihan's case has more in common with these 27 athletes, than with Lance, Floyd, and Jones.
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Coevett wrote:
I wont even mention the age cheating.
Here is a prime example.
We learned from the Houlihan case that Kenyan farmers do not routinely castrate their pork -- the "near zero" arguments in the US and Canada that seem so damning do not apply in Kenya, and the risk of testing positive for nandrolone simply from eating pork is significant.
The WADA Code then puts this 17-year old African (does she even speak English or French? should she know what nandrolone is?) in the position of having to hire a legal team, and scientists, at her own expense, estimated at 5 to 6 figures, to do all the detective work necessary to establish the source of a substance she may never have heard of, from an industry she has no awareness of, in order to convince a panel beyond the balance of probability.
This is not what justice and fairness to innocent athletes looks like.
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Medium Level Ball Gargler wrote:
After working with many Kenyans in the US collegiate program, I have found that cheating is just a way of life in their home country. Not necessarily "doping," but...bending to full on breaking the rules, whether its for jobs, academic integrity - or yes - drugs. That's just what they do - I'm not sure it's seen as "cheating" in Kenya - rather a clever "community effort" to get ahead in life. Doesn't mean it's still not cheating. It's been...frustrating trying to help them assimilate to US culture & understand what "cheating" is.
Bull s***! You don't know any Kenyans. Typical of Letsrun (including the founders)trying to make like Kenyans are inherently dishonest.
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I disagree wrote:
fada tyme wrote:
I do not find it credible that an elite athlete would not know the name of a common substance within the PED world. If you want to believe that then have it your own naive self way.
Nandrolone is more of a sprinters/weight event drug, and one that is from a long time ago with other things more common more recently. I do not think it that odd that they did not know the name.
The former Captain of the Great Britain Olympic Team certainly knew all about nandrolone and he was banned for taking it!
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rekrunner wrote:
dopingt wrote:
Do you honestly believe she had to google what nandrolone was? That she never heard of it before?
I find it quite credible that distance running athletes and coaches focus more on training and racing, rather than remembering drugs by the names used in anti-doping.
Unlike fans who like to gossip and read tabloids about doping, I don't see any strong reason why professional athletes or coaches should have likely heard of "nandrolone" and remembered it by name. Maybe she heard it by other names like "deca", or simply remembered it as "steroids" whenever the topic of other busts came up.
Concluding, we need to believe this:
- An elite athlete has no idea which are the banned illegal substances that appear on anti-doping lists; substances which would likely trigger a doping violation.
- An elite athlete may have no idea (and take no interest) as to the substances which have caused other athletes to fail doping controls even from public media reports.
Okay!
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ImpaIa31 wrote:
Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
Remember when lying Renato said Kenyans do not dope and do not benefit from doping? No reason he should not be banned from the sport.
He never said that, you lying scumbag. No reason you shouldn't be banned from this forum.
Actually, he did. He then recognized that some doped but said that the blood values actually decline when they are at their best performance levels, and hence, that raising the blood values from doping was counter-productive. He thinks that they can do better by doing all the right things in training.
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El Keniano wrote:
Medium Level Ball Gargler wrote:
After working with many Kenyans in the US collegiate program, I have found that cheating is just a way of life in their home country. Not necessarily "doping," but...bending to full on breaking the rules, whether its for jobs, academic integrity - or yes - drugs. That's just what they do - I'm not sure it's seen as "cheating" in Kenya - rather a clever "community effort" to get ahead in life. Doesn't mean it's still not cheating. It's been...frustrating trying to help them assimilate to US culture & understand what "cheating" is.
Bull s***! You don't know any Kenyans. Typical of Letsrun (including the founders)trying to make like Kenyans are inherently dishonest.
More like survival of the fittest. Among the tiny subset of Kenyans trying to make it in distance running, there is intense competition for just a few spots and a way to make fifty or a hundred times or more as much money. Doping is the way to separate yourself in a culture of true excellence where dozens may jump in even to a Kipchoge track workout--and quite a few of them stick for much of it!
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zxcvzcxv wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Bull s***! You don't know any Kenyans. Typical of Letsrun (including the founders)trying to make like Kenyans are inherently dishonest.
More like survival of the fittest. Among the tiny subset of Kenyans trying to make it in distance running, there is intense competition for just a few spots and a way to make fifty or a hundred times or more as much money. Doping is the way to separate yourself in a culture of true excellence where dozens may jump in even to a Kipchoge track workout--and quite a few of them stick for much of it!
And that isn't the case with Westerners?
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zxcvzcxv wrote:
ImpaIa31 wrote:
He never said that, you lying scumbag. No reason you shouldn't be banned from this forum.
Actually, he did. He then recognized that some doped but said that the blood values actually decline when they are at their best performance levels, and hence, that raising the blood values from doping was counter-productive. He thinks that they can do better by doing all the right things in training.
Not quite.
I've seen what Renato says directly, and I've seen what others say he said second hand, and they are never quite the same.
Renato always talked about "top" athletes highly trained at altitude. Between Renato's "English as a second language" and the bad will of some posters and journalists, Renato's words have been misrepresented.
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Hdoer wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Why is anyone still interested in what Kenyans are doing? A modern Ma's army.
You strike me as an impotent older dude who is upset that others might be enjoying themselves.
Enjoying themselves doping? You strike me as a shallow and rather incomplete human being.
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