8 Europeans and 1 American in Tokyo 1500m final, 4 Europeans and 1 American in Tokyo 800m final.
This year in Eugene - 7 Europeans and 1 American in the 1500m final, 9 Europeans and 0 Americans in 800m Semis.
What kind of stat is this?
America can only send 3 runners. Europe is a continent full of countries, each of whom can send 3 runners.
Still don't see the US reaching a limit of 3 runners though. And Europe is a continent full of small countries.
Different stat for you: Tokyo 1500m final: 3 Brits, 1 American. Tokyo 800m final: 1 Spaniard, 1 Brit, 1 French, 1 American. Eugene 1500m final: 3 Spaniards, 2 Brits, 1 American. Eugene 800m Semis: 2 Spaniards, 2 French, 2 Brits, 0 Americans. In the major championships of the past 2 years the US had the same amount of finalists as Poland.
The Europeans are absolutely dominating the world in the 800/1500. Kenya and Ethiopia also seem to be relatively lackluster in these events right now. The top 5 in the 1500 last night were all European.
I am.not giving any excuse for Kenya's failure here in the 1500m but our tactics cost us medals. Jacob too. He went out hard with the leaders and couldn't secure gold. He was the best in the field but employed bad tactics.
I went back to rewards the race and specifically weightman and the guy ran a very tactical race. I don't recall him winsome a race ever [that wasn't European].
Hoppel was interfered with (watch the replay, he was limping the last 120 or so) and should have been moved on.
Brazier is clearly still injured.
Overall, just like you can over race I think you can under race in events up to the mile.
They're just not putting themselves out there enough.
We didn't have Murphy- a bad race an Nationals and he's out.
We should have 2 in the semi's as the team was.
Koech absolutely deserved a DQ. Good riddance to him.
Hoppel was pushed and he almost fell. But he recovered and it did not seem to unduly affect the race for him. The shove was early in the race, and Hoppel was where he needed to be towards the end.
Some people think it's because they are opposed to hard work, unable to employ intelligent strategic thinking skills, and lack general courage. What do you think? It certainly is weird that they can't even rise with home field advantage.
Some people think it's because they are opposed to hard work, unable to employ intelligent strategic thinking skills, and lack general courage. What do you think? It certainly is weird that they can't even rise with home field advantage.
This isn't anything new, for almost 3 decades we have been bad in the 800. Brazier has been the one bright spot. We have a plethora of 45x 400m runners that should consider moving up to the 800.
Maybe if they did more than race a domestic circuit they could get race tough
This really is the answer. And it's the reason US running as a whole is awful. While we're at home running dinky local time trials getting excited over mediocrity, everyone else is running the Diamond League every week. The Diamond League makes you sharp and ready to race. The US theory of train, train, train, and do one or two hard efforts per year is the dumbest idea hatched by anyone in the history of the world. Maybe it's because US runners can't afford to live in Europe 2-3 months a year? If that's the case, then you're not a professional runner and just quit. Hobbyists shouldn't be wasting their time.
Plenty of sponsorship money to allow an elite American to live, train and race in Europe.
We simply don't have a full elite set of 800 guys this year. Every year doesn't bring a new trio of 1:44 guys. Think back 20 years ago, 1:47 was winning the US title.
What "trio" of new guys do you need? We need the sub 1:45.00 guys to get better over a 3 year window, nothing more. The issue we have overall , is we have No Elite guys that are really good at 1500..or 400M, yes Miller can run a really good relay, and we thought Murphy could have been that guy. But, right now no 800M runner of consequence in the U.S. can run 3:37.00 or 45 flat really. Back in the day...Wohlhuter ran 3:53.x mile when that was fast, so did Dave Wottle. Brazier showed promise at both, running 3:39 and Relaying 45.x, but the reality is "when the lights are on?" we don't have one guy right now that would be counted on to punch down a sub 1:44.00 a time 5 guys should be running by now at the same time in America, we had 4 in 1984 in same Olympic Trials race.
I wonder whether the NCAA system hinders in developing a cadre of 800 runners. It is an in between event, with limits on an athlete being a multiple scorer (Don Paige's don't come around often). A 200/400 guy is versatile in terms of scoring points, just like a solid 1500/5000 perhaps steeple guy can be. And while one would think there are any number of 45 second 400 meter runners that can move up, it doesn't happen all that often (Mark Everett's appear rare). I don't have the data to back this up but it strikes me as possible. As an aside, at the Olympic and World Championship level, making the finals is really difficult because so much can happen from a tactical perspective in the heats.
I think it's fairly obvious there's been some injury issues across the board for our middle distance group, with Brazier banged up, Hoppel tripped, Hocker and Teare both hurt, that's a pretty signifcant chunk of our finalists in the Olympics last year that are out of commission entirely or in the pool leading up to a championship, which doesn't cut it.
Line that up with Salazar getting pinched (good riddance) and that pulls Murphy and Brazier. Spain has clearly gotten their sauce where it needs to be with Katir, and Britain has always been a bit sus, what with the phenom Laura Muir being the only one who could even attempt to be competitive in the 1500m, and whiteman taking the 1500m on the men's side.
America can only send 3 runners. Europe is a continent full of countries, each of whom can send 3 runners.
Still don't see the US reaching a limit of 3 runners though. And Europe is a continent full of small countries.
Different stat for you: Tokyo 1500m final: 3 Brits, 1 American. Tokyo 800m final: 1 Spaniard, 1 Brit, 1 French, 1 American. Eugene 1500m final: 3 Spaniards, 2 Brits, 1 American. Eugene 800m Semis: 2 Spaniards, 2 French, 2 Brits, 0 Americans. In the major championships of the past 2 years the US had the same amount of finalists as Poland.
Then you should have started with this stat, not comparing simply Europe vs America, Europe wins because Europe has 7 finalists and America has 1. Europe is a continent, America is a country.