More importantly, look for Juliette to run the mile/1500 next winter/spring as Stanford needs replacements for departed seniors Julia Heymach and Christina Aragon. Juliette's 4:36 mile is faster than anyone currently on the roster and she likely will team with fellow frosh Julia Flynn as Stanford's primary milers.
Thus, look for Juliette to take her mile/1500 times down significantly as she will be racing those distances more frequently than the 800.
Juliette Whittaker is already significantly faster in the 800 than any current college woman. She will proably run the 1500 in a few meets, but I would be shocked if she skips the 800 at indoor or outdoor nationals.
Whittaker is great but she doesn't have Mu's raw speed. That speed is what puts her on a different plan from everyone else. She can go through in 57 or 58 and doesn't feel it like they do. She's the closest to 1:53 or high 52 potential the world has without drugs.
What is overlooked is that in the men's 800 the best runners in the event weren't and aren't the fastest over 400. With the "anomalous" exception of Kratochvilova, this will apply even more so to the women's event, as it calls upon more endurance than it does for men.
Mentioning Kratochvilova, the difference between her best 400, of 47.9, and her 800 of 1.53.2, is around 8.6secs per lap. For Mu, the differential is similar. She is a 49sec 400 runner and a 1.55 runner over 800. That's a differential of 8.5secs per lap - virtually the same as for Jarmila. But the Czech was faster in terms of raw speed. This differential suggests Mu may not run faster over the 800 than 1.55 unless she improves her endurance.
The WR 1:53.2 that Kratochvilova ran in 1983 was only the 2nd 800 of her career. She didn't know how to run an 800, and her pace was way off, with a big negative split.
If she actually knew what she was doing and ran the 800 correctly, on the day she ran the WR she probably could have run around 1:52.5. So using the same differential that you mentioned, that would put Mu around 1:54.5.
Also, it's very unlikely that the 49.5 that Mu ran in the 400 last year will be the fastest she ever runs in her life. She has already split 48.2 at the Olympics, so she certainly should be able to run sub 49 at some point in the next year or two. Using the same differential that puts her around 1:54.0 .
Is it likely that Mu breaks 1:53.2? No, but I think she can get within a second of it.
What is overlooked is that in the men's 800 the best runners in the event weren't and aren't the fastest over 400. With the "anomalous" exception of Kratochvilova, this will apply even more so to the women's event, as it calls upon more endurance than it does for men.
Mentioning Kratochvilova, the difference between her best 400, of 47.9, and her 800 of 1.53.2, is around 8.6secs per lap. For Mu, the differential is similar. She is a 49sec 400 runner and a 1.55 runner over 800. That's a differential of 8.5secs per lap - virtually the same as for Jarmila. But the Czech was faster in terms of raw speed. This differential suggests Mu may not run faster over the 800 than 1.55 unless she improves her endurance.
The WR 1:53.2 that Kratochvilova ran in 1983 was only the 2nd 800 of her career. She didn't know how to run an 800, and her pace was way off, with a big negative split.
If she actually knew what she was doing and ran the 800 correctly, on the day she ran the WR she probably could have run around 1:52.5. So using the same differential that you mentioned, that would put Mu around 1:54.5.
Also, it's very unlikely that the 49.5 that Mu ran in the 400 last year will be the fastest she ever runs in her life. She has already split 48.2 at the Olympics, so she certainly should be able to run sub 49 at some point in the next year or two. Using the same differential that puts her around 1:54.0 .
Is it likely that Mu breaks 1:53.2? No, but I think she can get within a second of it.
Ryun ran a big negative split for his wr. I guess he didn't know how to run the 800 either. Kratochvilova could have "got it right" but never ran faster than her world mark. But even if she had run faster that won't automatically mean Mu will get faster. The point is they are both speed-based athletes, so they will slow more over the 800 than those who are more endurance-based. The 800 runners with the fastest 400 times are very rarely the best. Kratochvilova was an exception, as is Mu. Also, if Mu runs sub 1.55 she is entering the territory of either DSD athletes or likely dopers.
The WR 1:53.2 that Kratochvilova ran in 1983 was only the 2nd 800 of her career. She didn't know how to run an 800, and her pace was way off, with a big negative split.
If she actually knew what she was doing and ran the 800 correctly, on the day she ran the WR she probably could have run around 1:52.5. So using the same differential that you mentioned, that would put Mu around 1:54.5.
Also, it's very unlikely that the 49.5 that Mu ran in the 400 last year will be the fastest she ever runs in her life. She has already split 48.2 at the Olympics, so she certainly should be able to run sub 49 at some point in the next year or two. Using the same differential that puts her around 1:54.0 .
Is it likely that Mu breaks 1:53.2? No, but I think she can get within a second of it.
Kratochvilova could have "got it right" but never ran faster than her world mark. But even if she had run faster that won't automatically mean Mu will get faster.
Also, if Mu runs sub 1.55 she is entering the territory of either DSD athletes or likely dopers.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Mu ran her PR at age 19. Kratochvilova ran the first 800 of her career at age 31, and her 2nd 800 (the world record) at age 32. She was getting old and ran out of time to get faster. The very next year was the beginning of her decline in both the 400 and 800.
Don't think Mu can run sub 1:55? She's already run 1:55.04. Look at it this way - what are the chances that an 800 runner (any 800 runner, not just Mu) with a decade of hard training, can at some point in their career beat their best time as a 19 year old by at least .05 seconds?
It’s obvious what it takes to be an elite 800m female runner. It’s the nipple rings. Just look at Mu and Hodgkinson. it’s 100% no fail. Ladies get it done.
Kratochvilova could have "got it right" but never ran faster than her world mark. But even if she had run faster that won't automatically mean Mu will get faster.
Also, if Mu runs sub 1.55 she is entering the territory of either DSD athletes or likely dopers.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Mu ran her PR at age 19. Kratochvilova ran the first 800 of her career at age 31, and her 2nd 800 (the world record) at age 32. She was getting old and ran out of time to get faster. The very next year was the beginning of her decline in both the 400 and 800.
Don't think Mu can run sub 1:55? She's already run 1:55.04. Look at it this way - what are the chances that an 800 runner (any 800 runner, not just Mu) with a decade of hard training, can at some point in their career beat their best time as a 19 year old by at least .05 seconds?
I'd say the chances are at least 80%.
Ryun never surpassed his best at 19, which was a wr. Neither has Amos ran faster than when he was 18. Constant improvement is not a given in a younger athlete. Some runners mature early. Mu may be one of them. She is like many of the speed-based 800 runners however, who have a wider gap between their best 400 and 800 times.
On your other point, it was drugs that enabled Kratochvilova to set records at 32.