They are allowed in club college field hockey. Filtered down to high school, in some states, I guess. For club hockey the justification is basically that there is no men's field hockey.
I meant to say that the same justification is used for high school as well. But we are not using it for college varsity teams. So there is a line drawn between different levelcsof competition.
We collectively need to stop paying attention to what Rapinoe has to say. She's a deluded narcissist and always has been, there's nothing that qualifies her to have an opinion on these topics other than she is willing to say whatever the most inflammatory thing is that will get her the most attention. Either that, or a trans female needs to take her spot on the team and we can see how she feels then. She can say all this woke garbage because she's not the one who suffers the consequences, in fact, she benefits from it by getting the attention she desperately craves.
Anyways her argument that if someone threatens to kill themselves you have to give them whatever they want is stupid, and every sane person agrees.
We collectively need to stop paying attention to what Rapinoe has to say. She's a deluded narcissist and always has been, there's nothing that qualifies her to have an opinion on these topics other than she is willing to say whatever the most inflammatory thing is that will get her the most attention. Either that, or a trans female needs to take her spot on the team and we can see how she feels then. She can say all this woke garbage because she's not the one who suffers the consequences, in fact, she benefits from it by getting the attention she desperately craves.
Anyways her argument that if someone threatens to kill themselves you have to give them whatever they want is stupid, and every sane person agrees.
She never made that argument that we need to cave in to suicide threats. You people have to lie because of your lack of intelligence. This Rapinoe is much smarter than you. It is not close.
Best post I have seen on this board in months. Says more in one sentence than most say in a 100.
Yeah except nobody said that.
Despite your strange denial, Rapinoe said, " They are committing suicide, because they are being told that they’re gross and different and evil and sinful and they can’t play sports with their friends that they grew up with."
Even with an "and" in the sentence, to doubt that she is implying a connection of suicide and not being able to play girls supports is intellectually indefensible. And that connection means that girls sports do matter, and is very important to them. Therefore, fairness in competition is worth defending.
Many of you folks are the same people that would have said we CANNOT end slavery just because some slaves have committed suicide. You would have said we cannot make gay behavior legal just because of some suicides. Own it bigots!
Many of you folks are the same people that would have said we CANNOT end slavery just because some slaves have committed suicide. You would have said we cannot make gay behavior legal just because of some suicides. Own it bigots!
Wait, are you Jerred from Subway? This is starting to make sense.
Despite your strange denial, Rapinoe said, " They are committing suicide, because they are being told that they’re gross and different and evil and sinful and they can’t play sports with their friends that they grew up with."
Even with an "and" in the sentence, to doubt that she is implying a connection of suicide and not being able to play girls supports is intellectually indefensible. And that connection means that girls sports do matter, and is very important to them. Therefore, fairness in competition is worth defending.
Again, as someone who is much smarter than you, if I said “they are committing suicide, because they are being told they’re gross and different and evil and sinful and they cannot vote,” as an argument for civil rights, you would not not assume that the vote is the MAIN reason for the suicide. How stupid are folks?
My wife's cousin is the head of endocrinology at a very well known university medical center. He thinks that quite a few trans people have mental health problems - and this is not an invitation to be judgmental - and that mental health treatment is essential. He dislikes surgical or hormonal intervention at a young age because his research shows that the patients after are no happier than before, and in some cases, end up having even more issues because of a later desire to detransition. His background is interesting and instructive. He has dealt with parents with boys who will turn out to be 5"4, and who want medical or hormanal intervention to make the boys grow taller. He has had parents insist on leg stretching procedures (only can be done in certain jurisdictions). He finds that in these situations that there is little concern for the boys' health, as he rightly points out that the focus should be on making them happy and mentally sound. 5"4 is ok, just as is having feelings about gender identity. This stance flies in the face of current activists who use the threat of suicide to justify early medical intervention, but this doesn't strike me as a foundation for solid mental health. If someone has mental health challenges, or has suicidal ideation, we need to be compassionate and treat them from a mental health perspective as best we can. I am not sure that permitting trans athletes to compete in the women's division deserves a high priority - mental health does, though. I might add have come across a few trans people who made hormonal or surgical trans decisions well into their adult lives. They tend to be happy and well adjusted, albeit conceding that they had difficulties along the way. They are not large in number, but they do deserve respect and dignity.
So where is your wife's cousin's reserach published? It is peer reviewed? How many cases it is based on?
In the meantime, I am interested in what you think of this documentary.
Paediatrician Dr Michelle Telfer has one of the most controversial jobs in medicine in Australia. Subscribe: https://bit.ly/3nO2CDiAs head of the Royal Child...
I see two big problems with the issue as currently framed by trans activists:
(1) "It's only a few people, it doesn't matter." Yes, it does matter. Take it to its absurdest possible conclusion. "Most soccer teams aren't putting an elephant bigger than the entire goal in at goalie, to just sit there and make it impossible to score, so who cares if one team decided to do it?" Things are either fair or they aren't, and the numbers of incidents don't determine whether it's cheating or not, something is either cheating or it isn't. Prove to us that transwomen in women's sports is far/not cheating, don't try to get out of it by citing the numbers.
(2) "It doesn't matter because this is a lower level competition." See above -- it's either cheating or it isn't. We've seen one trans weightlifter in the Olympics who could qualify as a "woman" but not a man. We've had a D1 NCAA swim champ under the same conditions. Clearly, dismissals about the level of the competition are in bad faith anyway, but even if they weren't, who is the arbiter of when the level is too high to allow trans competitors? And why should, say, teenage girls trying to make their varsity squad have to take one for the trans movement, but not, say, pro soccer playing women, or wherever you demand the line be drawn? I'd almost think it made sense the other way: highly trained professional athletes should be expected to compete with trans competitors who have serious advantages, but NOT high schoolers and community hobbyists. Prove to us that transwomen in women's sports is far/not cheating, don't try to get out of it by citing the level of competition.
Ultimately, activists who reach for either of the above arguments are performing a dodge typical of illiberals of all stripes: they are trying to avoid having to answer the tough questions by insisting that they don't have to. It's the same as when a race activist says she doesn't have to answer a white guy's criticism because the white guy can't "center himself" in this conversation: the race activist has granted herself the convenient privilege of not having to answer the criticism. The gender activists do the same thing: they know they cannot prove that transwomen in women's sports don't have a serious advantage, nor can they prove that transwomen are women in the sense that word is used to define a separate, protected category of sport. So they use one of the two dodges illustrated above.
Many of you folks are the same people that would have said we CANNOT end slavery just because some slaves have committed suicide. You would have said we cannot make gay behavior legal just because of some suicides. Own it bigots!
Stop calling me a bigot, or I'm going to kill myself.
We collectively need to stop paying attention to what Rapinoe has to say. She's a deluded narcissist and always has been, there's nothing that qualifies her to have an opinion on these topics other than she is willing to say whatever the most inflammatory thing is that will get her the most attention. Either that, or a trans female needs to take her spot on the team and we can see how she feels then. She can say all this woke garbage because she's not the one who suffers the consequences, in fact, she benefits from it by getting the attention she desperately craves.
Anyways her argument that if someone threatens to kill themselves you have to give them whatever they want is stupid, and every sane person agrees.
Rapinoe is not the only elite female athletes with these views, in fact, there are many. Others include Candace Parker or Billie Jean King, for example. It’s pretty lame to label them all deluded narcissists or simply spewing “woke garbage.” You may not agree, but the point of view is one that is echoed by many women athletes. Not all certainly, but not just Rapinoe.
Apparently you have never heard the term "legal fiction." Look it up. The same transwoman that holds all of those documents for the purposes of making "his" life easier, is still a male identifying as a woman.
Ultimately, you're right. If someone is thinking of suicide, that's got to be emergency A-1 for their caregivers. That's why I find it so disgusting to hear people say "let them into girls sports or they'll commit suicide." There's already a major problem with them if they're that close to suicide, and affirming them in the short term is only kicking the can down the road. Wait until they are adults, where even in our current era, people generally don't just affirm your every whim or go out of their way to make you happy and functional -- if someone says "no" to them then, and they weren't helped/taught mental strength as minors, what will they do then?
If people stopped judging trans people by how they look and sound, perhaps there would be less urgency to start transitioning at an early age. It's much easier to "pass" if you start transitioning early. You will have to "come out" to different people in different settings, but that is still much better than being ridiculed and insulted by total strangers based on how you look and sound.
We collectively need to stop paying attention to what Rapinoe has to say. She's a deluded narcissist and always has been, there's nothing that qualifies her to have an opinion on these topics other than she is willing to say whatever the most inflammatory thing is that will get her the most attention. Either that, or a trans female needs to take her spot on the team and we can see how she feels then. She can say all this woke garbage because she's not the one who suffers the consequences, in fact, she benefits from it by getting the attention she desperately craves.
Anyways her argument that if someone threatens to kill themselves you have to give them whatever they want is stupid, and every sane person agrees.
Rapinoe is not the only elite female athletes with these views, in fact, there are many. Others include Candace Parker or Billie Jean King, for example. It’s pretty lame to label them all deluded narcissists or simply spewing “woke garbage.” You may not agree, but the point of view is one that is echoed by many women athletes. Not all certainly, but not just Rapinoe.
The labeling of opposing views with demeaning terms is a big issue in the world today. People who don’t think trans should compete in girls sports are labeled “bigots”, while those in support are “woke” or “libtards”. Chris Evans fell into this ahead of the new lightyear movie by attacking people opposed to the lesbian kiss scene.
I certainly see what you're saying here, especially about it requiring balancing act. On exactly that point, I would frame the Utah law a little differently: it also applied to anyone those trans girls would be likely to play with or against in those sports, who would be impacted by the presence of the trans girls. I would also suggest that those other areas where trans people face discrimination that you mention, like in the workplace, would be a better area to mitigate harm and improve trans people's mental health than in sports. In the workplace in nearly all professions, men and women can compete on an equal playing field (i.e., what advantage does a man or woman have over the other in anything from brain surgery to delivering mail to flipping burgers to high finance? None...), and so if trans people feel discriminated against at work, there is no justification, no balance of harms argument, it's just discrimination if it can be proved. If a trans person can out-teach and out-coach me, they're just better than me at what I do and can have my jobs, because there isn't men's teaching and women's teaching, just teaching. There's a lot we could do better in the workplace, or in school for the younger trans people, that would go farther than anything we could do in sports, most especially because the balancing of trans interests against female interests is not an issue like it is in sports.
But you only gave us examples of workplace for adults. In what areas of school life can we do to make young trans people feel they are accepted? You have already stated you are against any medical transition for minors, right?
(This is not a rhetorical question, I am genuinely asking.)
We collectively need to stop paying attention to what Rapinoe has to say. She's a deluded narcissist and always has been, there's nothing that qualifies her to have an opinion on these topics other than she is willing to say whatever the most inflammatory thing is that will get her the most attention. Either that, or a trans female needs to take her spot on the team and we can see how she feels then. She can say all this woke garbage because she's not the one who suffers the consequences, in fact, she benefits from it by getting the attention she desperately craves.
Anyways her argument that if someone threatens to kill themselves you have to give them whatever they want is stupid, and every sane person agrees.
Rapinoe is not the only elite female athletes with these views, in fact, there are many. Others include Candace Parker or Billie Jean King, for example. It’s pretty lame to label them all deluded narcissists or simply spewing “woke garbage.” You may not agree, but the point of view is one that is echoed by many women athletes. Not all certainly, but not just Rapinoe.
She made a name for herself by saying because she's a woman she deserves to be paid as much as men, despite not producing a product that sells as her male counterparts. She's a deluded narcissist who spews woke garbage to get attention. It's very obvious she thrives on attention and loves the spotlight and toeing the SJW line gives her that. Again, I cannot wait to hear her opinions when she's beaten or replaced by a trans female player, but given that she's 37 I don't think that poetic justice will happen.
I am sure there are misguided female athletes who claim to love the idea of playing against biological males, but I don't think Rapinoe is one of them. I also think there are far more women who would prefer not to play against biological males - just ask Lia Thomas's teammates and competitors.
Best post I have seen on this board in months. Says more in one sentence than most say in a 100.
Yeah except nobody said that.
Except she did say that, if not directly.
Rapinoe sucks, probably would be cut from the Dallas U-15 boys team that beat her at her peak. Yep, she could try to join the 14-year old boy’s elite team from Dallas, only she wouldn’t survive. I guess they shouldn’t play at all then.
All of this equity and fairness and inclusion has been taken to extremes. Life is a cut sport. Can’t mandate equality, especially when it comes to physical attributes. Can’t not hurt feelings. Hurt feelings are a part of life and learning and fukking growing and maturing.
Rapinoe sucks, probably would be cut from the Dallas U-15 boys team that beat her at her peak. Yep, she could try to join the 14-year old boy’s elite team from Dallas, only she wouldn’t survive. I guess they shouldn’t play at all then.
All of this equity and fairness and inclusion has been taken to extremes. Life is a cut sport. Can’t mandate equality, especially when it comes to physical attributes. Can’t not hurt feelings. Hurt feelings are a part of life and learning and fukking growing and maturing.
She did NOT say that. See above. Plus your argument that “fairness has been taken to extremes” is also an argument to permit the transgenders to compete.