They really did not do much in the way of gender verification back then (as evidence by the fact that the only players I can find that were disciplined were 7 non-DSD men on the Iranian team). For Wambach to have been randomly selected at the 2015 world cup (where she mostly played a reserve role and had one goal), is unlikely. She was likely never tested and allowed to drift off into the sunset by the governing bodies (otherwise, it would have thrown all of her records and the integrity of women's soccer into a spiral at a time when they were trying to increase interest in the sport). Governing bodies in sport have covered for far worse. The breadth of the DSD issue in sports like soccer is likely far more extensive than is understood.
Would she think the same thing if she lost to a team where a transgender dominated?
1) She might. Have you asked?
2) It's not apparent from the misquote in the thread title, but she was speaking specifically about high school sports: "I’m sorry, your kid’s high school volleyball team just isn’t that important." I assume there was an agenda from the misquote, which appears in many (typically critical) articles online. Rapinoe's views, like most people's, might be nuanced enough to consider that there's a difference between high school and professional sports, evidenced by the fact that she said "high school" in the quote.
Would she think the same thing if she lost to a team where a transgender dominated?
1) She might. Have you asked?
2) It's not apparent from the misquote in the thread title, but she was speaking specifically about high school sports: "I’m sorry, your kid’s high school volleyball team just isn’t that important." I assume there was an agenda from the misquote, which appears in many (typically critical) articles online. Rapinoe's views, like most people's, might be nuanced enough to consider that there's a difference between high school and professional sports, evidenced by the fact that she said "high school" in the quote.
Rapinoe feels that way about HS sports because she has played at college and pro levels. For her, HS sports were not as serious as college or pro sports. For those who never play beyond high school, the state championships are their FIFA World Cup. For a girl who never gets to play on the varsity team, her JV game is the World Cup.
That's why every HS athlete should demand random drug test for every single athlete. It must be easier because USADA knows those kids are at school during the academic year.
To be fair, she's not wrong (entire quote): “We’re talking about people’s lives. I’m sorry, your kid’s high school volleyball team just isn’t that important. It’s not more important than any one kid’s life.”
You can debate whether her underlying assumptions are true (that inclusivity prevents deaths, which seems a reasonable position), but if you're arguing that the purity of a high school sport is more important than someone's life, I've got to disagree.
Though she goes off the rails with this one, so if it's one of her core assumptions, she has a problem: "Show me the evidence that trans women are taking everyone’s scholarships, are dominating in every sport, are winning every title. I’m sorry, it’s just not happening." She's putting a lot of weight on "everyone's" and "every," and that's some pretty weak sauce.
This is another classic dodge among trans activists: "you're literally killing them if you don't let them on the team!" This is a revision of the general argument that if you don't affirm their gender, they will 100% commit suicide.
And it is quite like the argument that if direct abortion is not legal, women will procure illegal abortions that will kill them (and not only the intended unborn target).
“Absolutely,’ Rapinoe told Time when asked if she’d welcome a biological man onto the women’s national team. “‘You’re taking a ‘real’ woman’s place,’ that’s the part of the argument that’s still extremely transphobic. I see trans women as real women. What you’re saying automatically in the argument—you’re sort of telling on yourself already—is you don’t believe these people are women. Therefore, they’re taking the other spot. I don’t feel that way.”
“Absolutely,’ Rapinoe told Time when asked if she’d welcome a biological man onto the women’s national team. “‘You’re taking a ‘real’ woman’s place,’ that’s the part of the argument that’s still extremely transphobic. I see trans women as real women. What you’re saying automatically in the argument—you’re sort of telling on yourself already—is you don’t believe these people are women. Therefore, they’re taking the other spot. I don’t feel that way.”
Where’s the lie? Are you upset that she pretty much exposed the flaw in the anti-trans argument so succinctly?
“Absolutely,’ Rapinoe told Time when asked if she’d welcome a biological man onto the women’s national team. “‘You’re taking a ‘real’ woman’s place,’ that’s the part of the argument that’s still extremely transphobic. I see trans women as real women. What you’re saying automatically in the argument—you’re sort of telling on yourself already—is you don’t believe these people are women. Therefore, they’re taking the other spot. I don’t feel that way.”
Where’s the lie? Are you upset that she pretty much exposed the flaw in the anti-trans argument so succinctly?
The flawed argument is Rapinoe's, when she says she sees transwomen as real women. That's how she sees them, but that's not what they are.
they all say that publicly because it's the politically correct thing to say and it gives them the woke validation they want, but I guarantee you if Megan was playing for Team USA and got replaced in the lineup for a trans she would sue.
People should compete as their gender identity, not sex. If you are a 6'5" guy that can bench 400 and you identify as a woman you are a 2oman and should compete as such.
They really did not do much in the way of gender verification back then (as evidence by the fact that the only players I can find that were disciplined were 7 non-DSD men on the Iranian team). For Wambach to have been randomly selected at the 2015 world cup (where she mostly played a reserve role and had one goal), is unlikely. She was likely never tested and allowed to drift off into the sunset by the governing bodies (otherwise, it would have thrown all of her records and the integrity of women's soccer into a spiral at a time when they were trying to increase interest in the sport). Governing bodies in sport have covered for far worse. The breadth of the DSD issue in sports like soccer is likely far more extensive than is understood.
I don't know what you mean by "back then," but in 2015 ALL football associations fielding teams for the women's 2015 World Cup had to submit documentation saying ALL the players on their women's squads (not just the first string or players who actually partook in WC competition) had been medically checked to verify they're female. The FIFA policy in place from 2011 to 2019 spoke of "gender verification," but it was really a sex verification policy. From a 2015 press story:
England women’s football team have had to undergo gender testing to prove they are female before being allowed to play in the World Cup next month.
FIFA have insisted that mandatory tests are carried out by team doctors for each country to prove they are eligible to play in the tournament, a process which has come under fire from anti-discrimination campaigners.
World football’s governing body have briefed each national team’s doctor on what tests arerequired to have been completed and documented before they are able to sign a ‘declaration of gender verification.’
The German Football Association obtained the latest gynaecology reports from each of their player’s doctors. Germany’s national team manager Doris Fitschen said: ‘FIFA will have their reasons. We have left the testing and are glad to be able to confirm: Our players are all female sex.’
As the statement from the German Football Association illustrates, the national FAs (and other similar bodies pertaining to other sports) of most countries shouldn't have any difficulty obtaining or providing medical documentation verifying the sex of current and up-and-coming players on their elite women's and junior girls' squads because it's long been the case that all elite athletes are supposed to get, and do get, regular checkups and care from competent medical professionals - and for teenage girls and women, seeing a gynecologist and getting a "full pelvic" exam is part and parcel of basic, routine medical care.
Also, since the menstruation-ovulation cycle has a huge impact on female athletes' sports performance, training regimens, emotional wellbeing, dietary needs, sleep patterns, susceptibility to injury, etc.; since menstrual periods themselves are an important gauge of female health and fitness for sports; and since unwanted pregnancy and contraception are major and often extremely worrying concerns for girls and women who engage in heterosexual intercourse - female athletes customarily keep careful of track their periods/cycles.
In fact, nearly all girls and women "of childbearing age" pay careful attention to where we are in our cycles and are keenly aware of irregularities in the timing and nature of our periods, even when we are not athletes. This was the case when Abby Wambach was growing up and playing elite women's soccer - and it was the case long, long before the invention of smart phones and period-tracking apps, too. Early humans used to make score marks on stones in numerical patterns which suggest they were engaging in prehistoric period tracking.
Anyone is the gender they say they are. This "verification" is inhumane and should be considered a crime against humanity.
Excellent athlete, regularly has absurd unintelligible opinions. We see this a lot in men's football and many other sports, nothing new.
I'm crazy about most American sports. I have never heard of anything worse than the title of this thread. If Rapinoe said that then she is worse than Adolf Hitler.