Funny how the COVID deniers/anti-vaxxers get all crazy about there being no long term safety data for the vax but then are suddenly certain that there couldn't possibly be any long term implications for COVID infections. There is a growing body of evidence that natural COVID infection can weaken the immune system with some parallels to HIV. Worse still, there is evidence that recent infection with Omicron provides no protection from B.A4 and 5 variants due to the immune escape those variants have against earlier Omicron variants. The good news is that B.A4 and 5 have not been producing nearly as much hospitalizations and death. But COVID infections may be weakening immune systems and setting the stage for less resistance to future COVID infections. That is a scary prospect that is unique to COVID.
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Precious Roy wrote:
Funny how the COVID deniers/anti-vaxxers get all crazy about there being no long term safety data for the vax but then are suddenly certain that there couldn't possibly be any long term implications for COVID infections. There is a growing body of evidence that natural COVID infection can weaken the immune system with some parallels to HIV. Worse still, there is evidence that recent infection with Omicron provides no protection from B.A4 and 5 variants due to the immune escape those variants have against earlier Omicron variants. The good news is that B.A4 and 5 have not been producing nearly as much hospitalizations and death. But COVID infections may be weakening immune systems and setting the stage for less resistance to future COVID infections. That is a scary prospect that is unique to COVID.
You can’t blame people for being hesitant to rush out and get inoculated against a virus that they feel has little to no threat of mortality to them. Especially considering how the media and government overplayed the entire situation. People would rather take their chances against Covid than risk taking the jab. Say what you want, but that’s not an extreme position to take in my opinion.
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Remember when you got removed from social media for even suggesting this?
"Long covid" is probably a combination of this and vaccine longterm side effects. I have no trust in any of these so-called experts or institutions.
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uhh whaaa wrote:
Remember when you got removed from social media for even suggesting this?
"Long covid" is probably a combination of this and vaccine longterm side effects. I have no trust in any of these so-called experts or institutions.
Yeah, totally makes sense that "long covid" would be caused by vaccine long term effects when those who have not been vaccinated are much more likely to get "long covid." Not sure why this isn't obvious to everyone.
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2600 bro wrote:
The Pacific wrote:
More fearmongering by the media.
Some people have different and lasting effects from a disease or infection?
Wow, who knew??? Only been happening for tens of thousands of years.
Yes we know that viral infections can cause lasting effects in a small percentage of people. (although it does seem more likely with coronaviruses)
When was the last time 80%+ of the population get infected with a virus in a short time period.
It's amazing how even after 2+ years so many people can only grasp 1 or 2 variables of the COVID equation. I wasn't aware so much of the country was, quite frankly, so stupid before this whole COVID debacle. That makes me more worried for the future than anything else.
You’re *just now* realizing you’re surrounded by idiots? My god. You’d think you’d at least have known since November 2016…
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Precious Roy wrote:
Funny how the COVID deniers/anti-vaxxers get all crazy about there being no long term safety data for the vax but then are suddenly certain that there couldn't possibly be any long term implications for COVID infections. There is a growing body of evidence that natural COVID infection can weaken the immune system with some parallels to HIV. Worse still, there is evidence that recent infection with Omicron provides no protection from B.A4 and 5 variants due to the immune escape those variants have against earlier Omicron variants. The good news is that B.A4 and 5 have not been producing nearly as much hospitalizations and death. But COVID infections may be weakening immune systems and setting the stage for less resistance to future COVID infections. That is a scary prospect that is unique to COVID.
It is correct to state that there is evidence of prolonged (<6 months)
immune dysregulation in a subset of people after infection with COVID that is not related to severity of infection. It is fear mongering to compare this to HIV. You are worse than covid deniers.22 -
The Pacific wrote:
Not the OP.
I read the entire article and it sounded pretty similar to fearmongering Climate Change articles. Lots of "if this", "seems", "possible", "likely", "may".
It's just another writer penning content to get paid.
The article title is leading, but I don't have any problem with a writer acknowledging uncertainty in the face of uncertainty. That we don't know how long Covid will evolve is a concern. I don't understand how one can worry about vaccine long term effects while discounting long term fallout from infection.
The only similarity with "fearmongering Climate Change articles" is that we're pretty sure climate change is going to be a significant problem while there remains uncertainty on the magnitude and timeline.
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I always thought The Atlantic was a satirical or tabloid media outlet? Did this change?
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carmine9 wrote:
Well, ok then! wrote:
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. --- Upton Sinclair
Exactly.
The jab pushers salaries depend on their supporting the narrative.
No money in it for we who push back
“Most of medicine is run by the pharma companies. There are very few people interested in funding alternatives to medication.” - Dr. John Ratey, Harvard neuropsychiatrist
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local libt*rd wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
How many shots have you already had?
How many times have you had Covid?
3 shots (2 does plus 1 booster). Haven't had covid yet, that I know of.
You have already missed the 2nd booster recommended by the CDC.
I also apparently have not had Covid -- and also have not had a single jab.
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DanM wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Exactly.
The jab pushers salaries depend on their supporting the narrative.
No money in it for we who push back
“Most of medicine is run by the pharma companies. There are very few people interested in funding alternatives to medication.” - Dr. John Ratey, Harvard neuropsychiatrist
I recall pre Med students talking about that 50 years ago.
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2600 bro wrote:
The Pacific wrote:
More fearmongering by the media.
Some people have different and lasting effects from a disease or infection?
Wow, who knew??? Only been happening for tens of thousands of years.
Yes we know that viral infections can cause lasting effects in a small percentage of people. (although it does seem more likely with coronaviruses)
When was the last time 80%+ of the population get infected with a virus in a short time period.
It's amazing how even after 2+ years so many people can only grasp 1 or 2 variables of the COVID equation. I wasn't aware so much of the country was, quite frankly, so stupid before this whole COVID debacle. That makes me more worried for the future than anything else.
Its amazing youre still allowed to post here.
Everyone should be warned of your evil forced-child-masking position.
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Poor Blossom. Listen to her after at least 3 shots of mRNA goop.
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DanM wrote:
Today, at this moment, based on the world population of 7.9 Billion, state the probability (1 in x) of dying for ANY REASON among:
ZERO Covid vaxxed:
1-shot Covid vaxxed (includes J&J):
2-shot Covid vaxxed:
3-shot Covid vaxxed:
4-shot Covid vaxxed:
ZERO Covid vaxxed: 1 in 1
1-shot Covid vaxxed (includes J&J): 1 in 1
2-shot Covid vaxxed: 1 in 1
3-shot Covid vaxxed: 1 in 1
4-shot Covid vaxxed: 1 in 1You didn't state a timeframe.
Now, if you want to look over the last year and play that game, I'll be happy to.
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EpiRunner wrote:
DanM wrote:
Today, at this moment, based on the world population of 7.9 Billion, state the probability (1 in x) of dying for ANY REASON among:
ZERO Covid vaxxed:
1-shot Covid vaxxed (includes J&J):
2-shot Covid vaxxed:
3-shot Covid vaxxed:
4-shot Covid vaxxed:
ZERO Covid vaxxed: 1 in 1
1-shot Covid vaxxed (includes J&J): 1 in 1
2-shot Covid vaxxed: 1 in 1
3-shot Covid vaxxed: 1 in 1
4-shot Covid vaxxed: 1 in 1You didn't state a timeframe.
Now, if you want to look over the last year and play that game, I'll be happy to.
You think the 100% probablity of dying will change?
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carmine9 wrote:
zcxvcxvz wrote:
"For the month of March, “unvaccinated people 12 years and older had 17 times the rate of COVID-associated deaths, compared to people vaccinated with a primary series and a booster dose,” says Commissioned Corps of the U.S. Public Health Service commander Heather Scobie, deputy team lead for surveillance and analytics at the CDC’s Epidemiology Task Force.* “Unvaccinated people had eight times the rate of death as compared to people who only had a primary series,” suggesting that boosters increase the level of protection."
Why don't I believe this?
Because you're a paid Russian troll.
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The_Real_Bullet_Proof wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Yes we know that viral infections can cause lasting effects in a small percentage of people. (although it does seem more likely with coronaviruses)
When was the last time 80%+ of the population get infected with a virus in a short time period.
It's amazing how even after 2+ years so many people can only grasp 1 or 2 variables of the COVID equation. I wasn't aware so much of the country was, quite frankly, so stupid before this whole COVID debacle. That makes me more worried for the future than anything else.
Its amazing youre still allowed to post here.
Everyone should be warned of your evil forced-child-masking position.
compelling response as always.
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Of General Interest
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Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
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Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
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How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
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Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
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Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
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Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these