Its quite interesting with the whole DGR family schtick. "All" youtubers are focusing on the "community" aspect as a way of feeding into the parasocial relationship with the viewer, they are ofcourse doing this to enrich their own life (which is OK). Few pull it off so bad as SJD. When he is droning off the "its about you, the DGR family" he has 0 to show for it other than the 1-2 yearly group runs. Its hillarious. Just looking at the other youtube runners they are a lot better at communicating with their fans, being genuine in their interactions and open to meet others while travelling and racing.
Being injured he could have had a weekly "DGR family vlog" where he shows clips from his stans racing and training. But its not about his DGR family, its about SJD. Which is fine but a bit weird to pretend otherwise.
The hate being shown towards Seth is unbelievable, if you don't like him then don't watch his channel. Enough people like him to give him an income for a few years and he has given a lot of people motivation to run and I personally have enjoyed his vlogs which he keeps non-political and gives off positive vibes which is refreshing.
There are far worse youtubers than Seth who are truly reprehensible like Belle Delphine and they are earning tens of millions or how about all the lying dopers who won fame and riches while lying and concealing their PED usage. Instead you pour hatred on Seth??
Since you are a Seth defender, I’m genuinely curious what your thoughts are about most of the criticisms directed toward Seth. In all sincerity, I think many of us would appreciate a thoughtful response to these questions.
1) What are your PRs? Many LR posters have identified Seth’s target audience as hobby joggers or new runners. I’m not using the term hobby jogger to mean anything negative. However, many LR posters would NOT consider themselves hobby joggers. I think this point matters.
2) Do you think Seth’s on screen energy, positivity, and enthusiasm is how he truly is most of the time, or do you think it is somewhat of an act? Does the Deee-Geeee-Arrrrrr way of speaking not come off as inauthentic to you? Do you think he speaks like a child sometimes but then sometimes has a more serious adult voice?
3) Seth no doubt has talent and has had impressive PRs, but most of the LRC thinks his training is very poor with too much emphasis on super high mileage at very slow paces without enough workouts. We want to see the guy succeed even more and reach the goals he’s been unable to achieve, but his refusal to give up the “mad scientist” approach is annoying because he’s not living up to his potential. Would you be willing to have Seth coach you? Do you try to model your training after Seth?
4) What are your thoughts on the overall quality on the daily vlogs? What are your thoughts on all the coffee brewing and eating scenes? Are you entertained by all the cameras set up recording him doing ordinary things like walking around his house and opening up packages saying “my, my, my”?
5) What are your thoughts on Seth’s interactions with fans? Does he respond to enough comments? Does he give enough camera time to recognizing people who send him stuff? When he meets people out on his runs, do those interactions seem like Seth cares what they have to say or does it seem like Seth goes into chanting catchphrase mode?
6) What are your thoughts about Seth’s interactions with his family? Do you think it was appropriate for Seth to be gone for 6+ hours at a time to run when his youngest child was born? What are your thoughts on only buying his kids ice cream when he does well in a race? Did you see where Seth gave a pair of vaporflys to his nephew that weren’t the correct size? What are your thoughts on that?
7) Please list the things you like about Seth. Please list the types of vlogs you enjoy watching most.
I’ve been following his roller coaster of a channel the last ~6 months, and I must say it’s my guilty pleasure. It’s truly fascinating how disillusioned his fans are. With that said I hate to see people be outright mean to him. He’s clearly a sensitive guy going through a lot rn. On the other hand you could argue he’s similar to a “medium” or fortune teller, taking advantage of people gullible enough to give him their hard-earned money..
Another way of looking at it is that he’s earning a bit of cash for not doing very much. He has said that he doesn’t edit the running shoe vlogs, so the last couple of weeks or so I’d presume he’s been doing very little for whatever income he earns.
Personally, I don’t begrudge him it. I’m sure we’d all like more time to do ‘stuff’, whereas some of us are having to do a time consuming commute to a soul destroying office job we detest, and a decent percentage still struggling to get by even with that. Personally, I don’t subscribe to the theory that he’s a bad Dad. We don’t see everything but the kids always seem really happy when he’s around, so personally I don’t think he’s a bad Dad - just my opinion. He’s managing to make a few dollars whilst doing something he’s clearly passionate about (I don’t think he can fake that - often when he’s talking about running or racing, you can see he’s genuinely excited about the topic), and potentially freeing up time, so good on him for that.
He’s not really diversified though, as everything is reliant on his channel at the moment. Not sure where people are getting he’s not going into coaching, but somewhere recently he said something along the lines of ‘watch this space’ when asked about coaching, but I could well be wrong. Hasn’t he got a clothing line in the pipeline too? I’d imagine Ben Parkes makes decent money out of his line, so if Seth gets the designs right and the quality is good, I’m sure he’d do ok out of that too.
It’s sad to see any runner injured and personally I wish him a speedy recovery. Just having a coach doesn’t automatically eliminate injuries, as plenty of people with coaches still get injured. I can’t really comment on his diet as again we don’t see everything he eats, but he said the recent bone density scan showed no problems, which is obviously a good thing.
maybe it's because he's not able to finance this ballooning family and big, new house that he's frantically trying to make some cash to justify the decision to do Youtube instead of getting a regular job. I do imagine the pressure from in-laws, parents, and TrueGlove is a lot. Again WHY are people having this many kids, period?? If he were making $250,000 A YEAR he still wouldn't be making enough to finance college funds, health insurance, buying bigger and bigger cars to cart the gigantic brood around, etc.
I get the whole "if you don't like it, don't watch it" line, but I look at it this way: he's the one who chose to put (a lot, but not all of) his life out on a public forum. Some people will like what he produces, some will not. It's really no different than someone commenting on a movie or a television show.
I don't agree with some of the personal insults directed towards him, but is anyone really surprised that people on the internet have harsh opinions? If he didn't want people to criticize his training, or the parts of his personal life that he puts out for public consumption, he should've thought about that before he broadcasts it out to the world.
Frankly, if he combed through this thread, he'd get some pretty good feedback on his content.
He chose to put his life on show every day. It's not a job,he didn't interview for it or train for it or study for it.Most ytbers know this and accept that they are lucky to be doing it for any financial gain and the fact he is now openly panhandling for cash is pathetic. Nobody owes him anything for making a few minutes of footage a day. I think he thought he'd hit a million subscribers when infact he hit 150k during the early days of the pandemic and only added a few thousand in the last 2 yrs.
I feel the general "constructive criticism" is valid, but I'm not sure why it has to be repeated after every single vlog. I think both Seth and other viewers get it. Also, a lot of what Seth is criticized for, makes him unique and interesting. When it does feel more trainwreck-like, who doesn't enjoy that? I really have no interest in watching a 2:20 marathoner go through the motions of a typical well structured training plan. It's what makes channels like tinman so boring. There is very little interesting about elite or sub-elite training and racing, even for a person who loves watching pro races on tv! A good comparison was when Athlete Special was on Brooks Beasts. His channel was so boring at that time, I went from a subscriber to an un-subscriber. I got back into it with him and Allie out on their own training. To me it's the difference between watching a boilerplate action movie to watching something from a very unique and "different" filmmaker. Shoe reviews are pretty much the most boring thing on youtube though. I'm a regular runner, like the shoes I currently wear - don't really need to see questionable reviews of a thousand other shoes.
Me too, but this thread has become very repetitive and needs new content. How many of the over 1500 posts on here suggest that Seth needs a coach? 750? And how many times have they based this on the false assumption of 'wasted talent"? The Dee Gee Rrrr haters faaamileeee needs to just stop propagating this falsehood. Seth does not have any wasted talent, not a single drop. He was never a stand out runner in college - what sort of late bloomer do you think he is? He has tapped out his talent and he is a 2:2x guy. Now he's just getting older and his times will slow. He reached his peak potential.
Do you know why he doesn't get a coach? He's had coach's. Every single one of us who have ran in college know workouts and know how to structure training. The mad scientist crap is him trying to find talent he does not have. Getting a coach would simply be confirmation that he is tapped out, nothing would change except his strava. Which is exactly why he now has a sacral stress fracture. The "talent" that he does have is largely based on being a tiny tiny man. Tiny. Recognizing the source of his talent, his diminutive stature, he fell into the trap that many do - which is to become even more tiny - playing to his strengths. The attempt to tap into that talent had him develop an eating disorder as he tried to make himself as tiny as possible. Bring on the stress fractures. Everyone knows extreme low caloric eating is a stress fracture's best friend. This is nothing surprising about his injury and the root cause.
In any event, please continue to hate on him for all the other very valid reasons to hate on him - but let go of the talent myth that he only needs a coach and is wasting talent. he's not. Seth hit his potential, he really did. He will never run faster than he already has. He needs a nutritionist, not a coach.
Also - a little more work into the Seth bashing would be good. How often have you guys mentioned his wrist band - as though he's being wearing it for two weeks? Do you really think that? You can see no other explanation? You would have also seen a comment recently where he claims is takes him 8-10 hours to make each video. This is also false but ties in nicely to the wrist band...
The reason his wrist band is there is that he filmed a ton of these on the same day. The evidence? Today's video (August 5, 2022) was clearly filmed on the same day as the July 23, 2022 posted video. If you can't see why, you need to look harder. He really should have at least changed his shirt like he does for others, maybe moved some shoes around, he got lazy(er).