How slight? Can you justify this statement at all? If it’s just your opinion, fine, I’m just trying to understand the thinking here because to me it doesn’t make any sense.
So many converted times between 1500s and the mile, yet very few have run their converted PR. It's pretty simple.
This isn’t relevant to the discussion because it applies to everyone, not just 8/15 types. I don’t think you understand the point we’re arguing.
So many converted times between 1500s and the mile, yet very few have run their converted PR. It's pretty simple.
This isn’t relevant to the discussion because it applies to everyone, not just 8/15 types. I don’t think you understand the point we’re arguing.
How many fans throw down arguments that runner-1's 1500m converts to 3:## on the IAAF scoring charts? Most of those guys don't mile as fast as their 1500m conversions. Pretty simple to grasp.
This isn’t relevant to the discussion because it applies to everyone, not just 8/15 types. I don’t think you understand the point we’re arguing.
At what distance do you think Jakob has an increased advantage then? 1700m? But that's less than 100m longer than 1609m. 1800m? But that's only 100m longer than 1700m and he has no advantage there. 1900m? Again, only 100m longer than 1800m.
This isn’t relevant to the discussion because it applies to everyone, not just 8/15 types. I don’t think you understand the point we’re arguing.
How many fans throw down arguments that runner-1's 1500m converts to 3:## on the IAAF scoring charts? Most of those guys don't mile as fast as their 1500m conversions. Pretty simple to grasp.
You still don’t get it. We are discussing whether Jakob has an advantage over Tim in the mile (but not in the 1500) because he is a 15/5k guy and the mile is a longer race. It has nothing to do with converting 1500 times to mile times.
This isn’t relevant to the discussion because it applies to everyone, not just 8/15 types. I don’t think you understand the point we’re arguing.
At what distance do you think Jakob has an increased advantage then? 1700m? But that's less than 100m longer than 1609m. 1800m? But that's only 100m longer than 1700m and he has no advantage there. 1900m? Again, only 100m longer than 1800m.
No idea, but I’m pretty sure it’s farther than one mile. Why are we talking about the 15 and mile like they are drastically different distances? Do you disagree that the best 1500 guy is also going to be the best miler?
At what distance do you think Jakob has an increased advantage then? 1700m? But that's less than 100m longer than 1609m. 1800m? But that's only 100m longer than 1700m and he has no advantage there. 1900m? Again, only 100m longer than 1800m.
No idea, but I’m pretty sure it’s farther than one mile. Why are we talking about the 15 and mile like they are drastically different distances? Do you disagree that the best 1500 guy is also going to be the best miler?
you need to quit while you are behind. Everyone else seems to get it but you.
This isn’t relevant to the discussion because it applies to everyone, not just 8/15 types. I don’t think you understand the point we’re arguing.
How many fans throw down arguments that runner-1's 1500m converts to 3:## on the IAAF scoring charts? Most of those guys don't mile as fast as their 1500m conversions. Pretty simple to grasp.
There are way more opportunities to run a fast 1500. Only a handful of meets put on a mile at the international stage.
Abel ran 3:30.9 at altitude, so he was in magnificent shape. Of course, he's running too many races, but that performance alone and multiple wins suggested he could give a much better account of himself here. Hocker was boxed or at least chose not to try to go around, unlike Hoare, as he was waiting for one to go ahead to give him the space. That never happened. Had he gone around, Kipsang and Tim would have been fourth and fifth, instead of third and fourth. Good showing for Hocker. I'd like to see what Jakob can run in Oslo now. And will he finally get that 1:45 in the 8? I think he will.
It's true.
Hocker hoped one of the two would fade and give him an opening.
Did not happen.
Had it happened, I do think he would have gotten 2nd
How many fans throw down arguments that runner-1's 1500m converts to 3:## on the IAAF scoring charts? Most of those guys don't mile as fast as their 1500m conversions. Pretty simple to grasp.
You still don’t get it. We are discussing whether Jakob has an advantage over Tim in the mile (but not in the 1500) because he is a 15/5k guy and the mile is a longer race. It has nothing to do with converting 1500 times to mile times.
Oh I've had it, señor. Tim's mile best is slower than Jakob's. Tim's mile best might convert to faster than Jakob's.. However, Jakob has an advantage after the 1500m because he, as a proven 5k guy, has more strength than Tim.
Through time, at least since the beginning of the IAAF points system, when the mile was run at Grand Prix meets, how many 1500 guys who have run the mile have run as fast as their IAAF extrapolated points from the 1500? I'd submit, not very many.
Did not think the 1500/mile thing was that confusing. It’s not a big deal but it impacts the race. If Jakob was positioned to beat Tim and Kipsang by a few tenths in the 1500, in a race 109 meters longer his strength/margin will show even more. You saw indoors that Kipsang nearly died when he ran a 2,000.
Happy we’re at the Coevett dancing on Kenya’s graves stage of the season. A rite of passage every year.
Not looking good for Kenyan men this season, and not just in the 1500m. Only decent result a Kenyan man has posted so far is Kipsang's 3:31/^3:23, but for whatever reason, he appears to have peaked in March and will be struggling to make the final come Oregon.
You have people like Elias Ngeny who came out of nowhere and posted a 1:43 during the lockdown and hasn't been seen since. It will probably be the same for 17 year old Wanyonyi.
Tim done. Rotich done. Tuwei done. Kinyamel done. Manangoi definitely done without the juice. Where is Korir?
Tim ran well in Doha. Wanyonyi has run well twice in Kenya. Festus Lagat running well in US. Noah Kibet won in Doha. Kipsang has run well all year, but was merely OK yo-going yesterday. Korir finally opened last week in a slow 400. Gotta be concerned there, but he’s started slow before.
How slight? Can you justify this statement at all? If it’s just your opinion, fine, I’m just trying to understand the thinking here because to me it doesn’t make any sense.
In math, this is something we call a "proof by contradiction."
Let's see if you're good with the following two assumptions:
(1) A 1500/5000 runner (A) is faster than an 800/1500 runner (B) in the 5000, assuming they are equal in the 1500.
(2) The impact of each additional 100m beyond 1500m is equal for a particular runner (how much that runner's average speed decreases each time we extend the race an additional 100m). As this isn't exactly quite true in a linear fashion (slowdown from 1k to 3k is more than 3k to 5k), you could take any logarithmic translation (and there should be one that ends up being a very close estimate of the runner's slowdown, will put the reference link below) and it doesn't change for our purposes. You can think of it as "relative slowdown" in this case.
(3) [PREMISE WE WANT TO DISPROVE]: There is no difference in impact in going from 1500m to a mile (let's call it 1600m for ease) between runners A and B.
If premise (3) is true then they each slowed down the same from 1500 to 1600. By assumption (2) every additional 100m also slows down the runners equally, meaning the slowdown for each runner is also the same going from 1600->1700, 1700->1800,...,4900->5000 meters. Therefore, the runners should have equal 5000 times as they are equal in the 1500. But by assumption (1), runner A is faster than runner B in the 5k. We have a contradiction, which means that our premise is not true, and runner A must be faster than runner B in the 1600m (or mile).
Many empirical and descriptive models have been proposed since the beginning of the 20[th] century. In the present study, the power-law (Kennelly) and logarithmic (Péronnet-Thibault) models were compared with asymptotic model...
The Junior/Youth results in track and field are against this rules for( year.
I want really want to dream about a long/middle distance renaissance era of the West by "non naturalized" African.
Seems you are a racist. What is better to dream about is everyone racing and training at their best. The British of the 80s, Nick Willis, Steve Scott, Alan Webb, Jakob, Hoare, Kerr all these guys can run with the best East Africans of today and the past. You don’t need Kipsang or Cheruiyot to be injured/bad for this to happen.
A side note: I think Jakobs best competition yesterday might’ve been Tefera who ran the 5,000 instead. Beat Barega nicely in a kick, clearly still in tiptop shape after indoors.
