Kiprop effectively just ADMITTED his 3:26 was doped

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Yes, I am aware that El G ran 4 seconds faster than the all time greats of the 80's just a decade later, according to you with no pharmaceutical advantage. My point, perhaps over your head, was that that's absurd. More absurd than Jakob hypothetically running 2 seconds faster than El G did 30 years ago, on the same full throttle EPO he was on, and with super shoes and mondo v.2 tracks.

My general take on this is yes Kiprop is finally putting his toe in the water to see what the reaction will be if he owns up to using EPO. There's never been any doubt in my mind that he is guilty of the crime.

Does this mean he was always on EPO? I really don't know. By the time he got busted, he was pretty washed up by his own standards, and unlikely to ever make a Kenyan team again. His last two races were a 3:34.77 1500 and a 1:49.85 800. Sometimes desperate athletes could do desperate things. He could take all the drugs he wanted right now (he likely isn't because he is being tested), and I'd think he'd still have no chance of being relevant.

On the overall topic of drugs, if you believe the Coe, Cram, Ovett cohort was clean then you believe a pretty high level of 1500m running (not ending at 3:30.0 or whatever) can be achieved. Running 3:29-3:30/3:46-47 with inferior surfaces, spikes and pacemaking to this day. By the 1990s, better pacemaking/surfaces were out there and you can toss in the superior spikes that have now taken hold. Covett and me may disagree on many things, but skepticism over some of the 90s guys like El Guerrouj and Cacho is not one of them.

Imagine a heated Twitter argument between Kiprop and Kerley

Maybe, assuming the WADA lab didn't make any mistakes.

But was the 3:26 doped?

I am not sure upping Jakobs dose is going to make him much faster.😁 It always comes back to are there one or two bad apples at the top or is basically everyone at the top cheating? That has been the question since the early 70s

Two rules, doesn’t matter if you don’t agree coz it doesn’t change reality:

1) Doping banned substances is legal as per WADA below the respective limits it has explicitly laid out for each of them.

2) Above those limits, to the extent tests can accurately measure them, an athlete is a doper if and only if they fail a *ADA test and their ban is upheld on appeal all the way up to CAS.

Little else matters.

And you believe that? That European doctors drugged them? Lmao. Come on man

It has happened/happens in Europe, why not in Kenya? There are plenty of unscrupulous people in the world.

Exactly. Where does he admit to anything besides running 3:26?

Who cares. He doped for a fact. None of his performances can be trusted. Only an idiot would bet his best performance would be clean.

Wrong. Most banned drugs are not permitted in any amount. Some are banned only in competition, while others are banned out of competition as well. Some approved medications are only permitted in specified dosage levels.

I don't care what he admits to. He is a confirmed doper. What he says is irrelevant.

Did he dope for a fact? I'd like to see the images of his test results first. Maybe it is the WADA lab which cannot be trusted. There are precedents.

The next question would be, did he dope for a fact in 2015? Or in 2008? Seems like the real idiot is the one who says yes to questions without possessing any knowledge. Before making any bets, I'd want to know if EPO can lead you to run your best 1500m performance. Given 4 decades of all time performances, that doesn't seem so obvious.

Coevett, let's declare now: what time do you allow for Jakob to run and not be deemed doping?