You tell us. Russia is winning. They are in Ukraine and Crimea is literally Russia.
No, I'm asking you. It was your prediction. How did it turn out? Did Europeans freeze? Did they run to Russia for energy like you predicted?
Lolly wrote:
~ Do you have proof NATO did not agree with Russia to not expand East? Because the evidence proves you wrong.
I do have proof, Loll. The absence of a written agreement between Russia and NATO on such an enormous obligation is proof that it does not exist. As you as well aware, and have been informed many times, such an agreement would have dozens of signatories and hundreds of copies would be made and stored in public archives around Russia, Europe and North America. It is inconceivable that they have all been lost.
Also, you have spent months searching the internet for a link to this alleged NATO-Russia agreement and have come up with bulbo-squat. All your in vain searching is further evidence that such an agreement does not exist.
Russia is winning. They are in Ukraine right now and Crimea is literally Russia. For Ukraine to win, according to Ukraine, Russia needs to be out, Crimea too.
Russian Nazis tend to congregate in Russian cities. You don't find as many Nazis per capita in the Russian boonies as you do in Moscow, Leningrad, Bogograd, and Novgorod. Then, of course, there is the infamous Nazi Alley between Moscow and Stalingrad/Volgograd. Don't go driving through there with a menorah.
That said, there are a huge amount of Nazis in small town Sergach. That place is like a retirement mecca for old school Russian Nazis.
Russian Nazis do well in Russia, better than that average Russian serf. Russian Nazis often rise to places of prominence and leadership in Russian society.
If you want to see the kind of trash that CC keeps quoting here, check out the timeline of CC's best friend.
He "debunked" Russia's kidnapping of Ukrainian kids just in time for Russian media to brag about kidnapping Ukrainian kids on live TV and then get indicted for it by the ICC.
The Russia stealing children has been debunked. I posted about it
Nazis? He loves Nazis. Here he is pushing the party line of Germany's neo-Nazi AFD party.
#NordStream2 must be restored, says #Germany's Alternative fur Deutschland party "February, Germany again had massive inflation 8.7% AfD's demands must be met now. They include lower taxes, energy transition, restoration and usage of Nord Stream 2"#NordStream#NordstreamSabotagepic.twitter.com/68MNzWGL8N
But he also celebrates Josef Stalin's birthday. You know, the man with more blood on his hands than Adolf Hitler himself.
70 years ago March 5, 1953 Joseph Vissarionovich #Stalin died "Essence of Stalin's historical achievements, he took #Russia with plough and left it with nuclear reactors. He raised Russia to level of second industrialized power in world. This was not the result of purely ... pic.twitter.com/o5xCvnd1C5
What are your thoughts about entire units unwilling to fight?
Do you think other Ukrainian troops have social media and can see this? Then they will do the same.
Should the Ukraine government ban phones and social media because It seems a growing number of Ukraine troops are "Russian propaganda"
What does this mean for the counter offensive, donated weapons, and your tax donations?
No, no, no. No one even knows what you are babbling about with all that stuff.
I was asking about your predictions that Europe was going to freeze and cave in to Russia this winter. Remember all that?
Like this stuff below that you posted on page 306 last September.
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LOLLY: "This fall / winter the will of Europeans to support Ukraine will be tested through INSANE price jumps for everything. And I am telling you, people already are very unhappy and the show hasn't even begun yet.
The war is over, ciao Zelensky :)"
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Remember that wishful thinking bit you pro-Russian bozos were running for awhile? Europe was going to freeze and die, and quit giving aid to Ukraine, so the idiot Russia military would finally be able to storm through Ukraine? I was asking you about that prediction.
Hmmm . . . who to believe regarding Sweden's national interests - Sweden? or some Internet troll? Hmmm . . . tough call
Only proves that masses will follow a persistent agenda, if pushed hard enough.
Btw, you're no different. You have no own opinion, only what has been presented to you by mass media. Not once have I seen an effort by you to express some independent thoughts.
We're trying to understand what logic you think you are employing, Dugin.
Ukraine is not even in NATO, but you claim that Russia was justified or "legitimized" (your word) in invading Ukraine because some other unspecified countries joined NATO years prior to the Russian invasion.
But then you claim that Finland announcing RIGHT NOW that it will join NATO this summer is no big deal to you Russia fans. Your inconsistent story lines are irreconcilable. Reasonable people are legitimized in believing that you would have to be a Russian troll with the dingbat logic process you've displayed. Am I making myself clear to you? Because I know you people have different thought processes.
Point conceded. You have no proof an agreement was not made.
A written signed agreement is not needed to confirm an agreement was made. The only thing needed is a record of acknowledgement by NATO of their agreement to USSR/Russia, which there is.
Putin never claimed there was a contract signed by both sides. He said NATO broke its agreement, which they did.
Putin is correct.
Nope. Evidence was given months ago, remember? That's what prompted your neo-nazi chorus "there was no signed contract" losing point. And it prompted the losing "Gorby said NATO expansion was never discussed" point too.
All debunked.
So that leaves us with the part you are hiding from: the Nazi state of the Ukraine government.
Please address each of the following points. We will go one by one through each:
~ Does the Russian government have a Nazi greeting for its military like the Ukraine government?
~ Did the Russian government make a Nazi collaborator birthday a national holiday like the Ukraine government?
~ Does the Russian government / parliament cheer for Nazi collaborators like the Ukraine government?
~ Does Russia have hundreds of Nazi monuments / street names for Nazi collaborators like the Ukraine government?
~ Did the Russian government bring neo-nazi groups into its government like Ukraine's government brought in Azov, Aidar, C14, and The National Front like they joined the Ukraine government?
Stepan Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who joined forces with the German Nazis during World War II because he believed that they would help his country gain independence from the now defunct Soviet Union.
Even neighboring Poland, a staunch ally of Kiev in the ongoing war with Russia, has criticized the Verkhovna Rada's Jan. 1 celebration of the birthday of Stepan Bandera. By Peoples Dispatch Ukraine’s support for neo-Nazi grou...
People threw smoke bombs and stones at police and shouted "Revolution!" Opposition politicians tried to calm the crowd but without success. The police responded by deploying teargas.” . The rest is history.
Boldly exploring new depths of stupid where not even imbeciles and idiots have dared to tread.
"Ukrainian protesters threw rocks at Ukrainian police in 2013, so Russia was forced to invade Ukraine in 2022."
Point conceded. You have no proof an agreement was not made.
A written signed agreement is not needed to confirm an agreement was made. The only thing needed is a record of acknowledgement by NATO of their agreement to USSR/Russia, which there is.
Putin never claimed there was a contract signed by both sides. He said NATO broke its agreement, which they did.
Putin is correct.
Nope. Evidence was given months ago, remember? That's what prompted your neo-nazi chorus "there was no signed contract" losing point. And it prompted the losing "Gorby said NATO expansion was never discussed" point too.
If you want to be an obtuse idiot about it, go ahead and enjoy yourself. But inside your head, you are well aware that there is no agreement between NATO and Russia regarding NATO expansion. If there was such an agreement, one of us would be reading and quoting from it right now. But that is never going to happen.
Hey, you should help out your friend/doppel "no_deal." He seems VERY confused these days about the Russian story on NATO expansion. Like he keeps running into himself (or you) whenever he turns around.
Russland behauptet seit Jahrzehnten, die Nato-Osterweiterung verstoße gegen westliche Zusagen nach dem Mauerfall. Nun ist ein bemerkenswertes Dokument aufgetaucht.
Currently, Georgia is seeking membership in the European Union--Georgia & Ukraine were invited by Bush (II), at the 2008 NATO Bucharest Summit, to join NATO: as an Empire's proxy, Georgia was defeated by Russia in 2008. Now, Nazi Ukraine, an Empire's proxy, is at war a/st Russia! https://t.co/xiXzLmuBhv
The key text in the minutes from the meeting quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz saying:
“We made it clear to the Soviet Union, in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,”
“NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially.”
A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”
West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog said of the 1991 agreement:
“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe. We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”
According to an article in Der Spiegel, a newly discover documented dated March 1991 shows that discussions between the West and Russia made it clear that
I do have proof, Loll. The absence of a written agreement between Russia and NATO on such an enormous obligation is proof that it does not exist. As you as well aware, and have been informed many times, such an agreement would have dozens of signatories and hundreds of copies would be made and stored in public archives around Russia, Europe and North America. It is inconceivable that they have all been lost.
Also, you have spent months searching the internet for a link to this alleged NATO-Russia agreement and have come up with bulbo-squat. All your in vain searching is further evidence that such an agreement does not exist.
Ok, i addition to that there are multiple of other agreements
For example, Russia had an agreement with slovakia that forbids air planes reexports
As you say lots of copies lots of pages, signed by everybody. What Slovakia did?
Right sent those planes without permission to Ukraine
Look whatever USA or any NATO agreement is done between them and Russia they violated everything -signed or unsigned.
No wonder - whole world unhappy. Basically Russia is being supported by 3/4 of the world population and USA still try to convince anyone Russia is an agressor. But everyone know who really incited this war
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On November 24th 2013, a large crowd… ultimately led to the 2022 war.
What do you think caused the large crowd with Ukrainian flags to gather on Nov. 24th, 2013? Wouldn’t the events that precipitated the large crowd to gather on Nov. 24th, 2013 be what ultimately led to the war? Why do you believe the events of Nov. 24th, 2013 were uniquely responsible for the Russia to start a war?
You tell us. Russia is winning. They are in Ukraine and Crimea is literally Russia.
~ Do you have proof NATO did not agree with Russia to not expand East? Because the evidence proves you wrong.
In what way is Crimea “literally Russia” when Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, and North Korea are the only countries that recognize Russia’s claims. Even BRICA countries are smart enough to know Russia is wrong. A few pages back you were all giddy about Ukraine’s constitution. The referendum to annex Crimea was unconstitutional. Therefore, in no way is Crimea “literately” or figuratively Russia. Also, it seems that you literally don’t know what the word literally means.
So Russian started the war due to NATO expansion, not the ethnic cleansing BS you’ve been spouting off about for the last month? If Russia was so concerned about have NATO on their borders, this war was a disaster as they just gained 800 miles of NATO border and accelerated Ukraine joining NATO by about 20 years.
In March, Russia gained control over 70 square kilometers. At that rate, they’ll control all of the Donbas in another 300 years.
The U.S. was one of three countries to nix a resolution condemning glorification of Nazism, citing freedom of speech issues and concerns Russia was using it to carry out political attacks against its neighbors
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In what way is Crimea “literally Russia” when Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, and North Korea are the only countries that recognize Russia’s claims. Even BRICA countries are smart enough to know Russia is wrong. A few pages back you were all giddy about Ukraine’s constitution. The referendum to annex Crimea was unconstitutional. Therefore, in no way is Crimea “literately” or figuratively Russia. Also, it seems that you literally don’t know what the word literally means.
So Russian started the war due to NATO expansion, not the ethnic cleansing BS you’ve been spouting off about for the last month? If Russia was so concerned about have NATO on their borders, this war was a disaster as they just gained 800 miles of NATO border and accelerated Ukraine joining NATO by about 20 years.
In March, Russia gained control over 70 square kilometers. At that rate, they’ll control all of the Donbas in another 300 years.
Go to Crimea and see it for yourself. Then let us know if it's Ukraine or Russia.
The new borders in Donbas and Crimea are to stay. Ukraine is slowly losing, might as well move on now.
Seriously I don't get why entire world has to suffer because Kiev wants to keep ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine. Chop it off like a gangrenous arm and move forward towards the EU and NATO.
In what way is Crimea “literally Russia” when Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, and North Korea are the only countries that recognize Russia’s claims. Even BRICA countries are smart enough to know Russia is wrong. A few pages back you were all giddy about Ukraine’s constitution. The referendum to annex Crimea was unconstitutional. Therefore, in no way is Crimea “literately” or figuratively Russia. Also, it seems that you literally don’t know what the word literally means.
So Russian started the war due to NATO expansion, not the ethnic cleansing BS you’ve been spouting off about for the last month? If Russia was so concerned about have NATO on their borders, this war was a disaster as they just gained 800 miles of NATO border and accelerated Ukraine joining NATO by about 20 years.
In March, Russia gained control over 70 square kilometers. At that rate, they’ll control all of the Donbas in another 300 years.
Go to Crimea and see it for yourself. Then let us know if it's Ukraine or Russia.
The new borders in Donbas and Crimea are to stay. Ukraine is slowly losing, might as well move on now.
Seriously I don't get why entire world has to suffer because Kiev wants to keep ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine. Chop it off like a gangrenous arm and move forward towards the EU and NATO.
I’m not suffering. I’ve made hundreds of thousands of dollars on oil and defense stocks since Russia’s invasion. I’m sorry you’re poor. That sounds like a you problem. Maybe if you had some morals and didn’t support low-life Russian Nazis and blame others for your problems you wouldn’t be “suffering”.
Here’s a better plan to keep you from having to suffer further. Russia withdraws, pays reparations, and Putin gets hanged in the middle of Red Square?
