Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

At first and until just recently I was all GO UKRAINE but now I;m starting to think why do I or any America care about Ukraine? If we had.....sorry but not our war......this would be over without all those dead people and Ukraine all blown up,

Pretty obvious because of our help Russia will never rule Ukraine but what if it did kind of a so what who cares actually.

Russia is still on track to conquer Ukraine so long as the west isn't willing to bleed.

All we've done is increase the death toll before the same conclusion was reached.

One bright side, Russia now understands NATO will humiliate it in biblical fashion if they try to touch a NATO country. Once that point was made any further support given to Ukraine is just prolonging the suffering.

You really picked the wrong example of America foreign aid to go off on this months long internet crusade. If you wanted to persuade Americans that they get no benefits to providing foreign aid, you could have directed these huge efforts of yours to questioning American foreign aid to Egypt ($1.5 billion/year) or South Africa ($1.1 billion/year) or Venezuela ($160 million/year), for example. I think you may get a small amount of Americans wondering why that aid is necessary, at least relative to other foreign aid.

But to pick Ukraine -- a country being invaded and destroyed, with over a hundred thousand Ukrainians killed and millions becoming refugees -- as the flagship example for your "End All U.S. Foreign Aid!" crusade is just crazy. You couldn't have picked a worse example for your cause. It's like your are situationally blind, tone deaf, spectrumed-up, self-absorbed, and totally inept all rolled into one.

We aren't going to allow Russia to rule Ukraine and that is looking like a bad idea. This is costing way too much to begin with. Who here really cares about.....over there.......not many ti be honest.

If we aren't willing to bleed there's nothing we can do about it. Ukraine will run out of men before Russia does.

And no one in the US cares about Ukraine they just pretend to care about the latest "thing". Ukraine has been the thing for awhile. The media will lose interest and the mindless sheeple will quickly follow suit.

"Russia is going to mobilize 300,000 to 500,000 people in order to carry out offensive operations in the south and east of Ukraine in spring and summer of 2023. Those 500,000 are in addition to the 300,000 mobilized in October 2022," Skibitskyi said. "This proves that Putin’s Kremlin has no intention of ending this war."

It is completely ridiculous to fund any of this. Russia is throwing those kind of bodies at this cluster *uck?!! 600,000 - 800,000 bodies.

And America will bleed its own financially to fight them with no gains to show for it for average americans. We wasted decades blowing up the same rocks that Russia blew up in Afghanistan. We still stay in Ukraine as well.

Unreal stupidity. You get what you pay for america, and that ain't much.

imagine being so sad and ignorant of history that you think Americans don't care about people fighting tyrannies overseas.

Which tyrannies did the US fight that didn't benefit the US in any way?

We don't care. WWII was the last time people cared. After that, with the exception of the Cuban missile crisis, Americans stopped caring or turned against wars. Nobody cared about Korea, Vietnam, or all the modern fake / endless wars. Nobody.
Only cable news cares. Because everyone knows these countries won't attack america proper. Just wasting money.

If someone told you they could reduce the 112 million americans who are healthcare insecure down to (lower number) and also
improve america’s performance in its abysmal healthcare metrics by cutting all aid to Ukraine (Russia), would you?

Would you choose Americans or would you choose Ukranians?

** Which tyrannies did the US fight that didn't benefit rich americans in any way?

if you don't see that fighting RU here benefits the US then we can't have much of a discussion.

Clearly, it is in the US' interest to stop tyrannies from conquering territory and sowing war and killing around the world. Surely you can see how the US as a giant beneficary of global peace and a rules-based economic order has a massive interest in stopping rogue nations intent on breaking the Pax Americana. Surely. You must. At the least, if you've read a history book you know that if the US backs off and creates a power vacuum, illiberal challangers will step into the void.

I mean this is basic HS history.

dude are you aware of the cheap stuff that poor and middling Americans can buy? Are you aware of the enormous benefits all Americans get from globalism and the Pax Americana?

I guess you aren't. Ok. You should look into it.

Well preventing the Soviets from turning the world into a communist hell hole benefited everyone.

Wars for oil benefit everyone that uses oil.

Globalism was created by the USA. At the end of World War 2 the US economy was bigger than the rest of the world combined. Korea was one of the poorest countries on the planet. Japan and Europe were in ruins.

The USA rebuilt the world in exchange for allegiance against the Soviets.

China only exists as a power because the US created globalism.

.......and?

Stop pushing endless / fake / proxy wars which hurt americans financially. The reason america is the worst developed nation on earth in so many categories is because quasi-patriotic dolts like you pushing Rocky v Ivan drago narratives.

It doesn't fly. We are more mature than your HS history mindset. Americans are screwed because of military waste spending, decade after decade.

If you are a patriot, take care of americans first. Stop harming average americans just to kill others abroad.

The Military-Industrial Complex is Ruining the Economy

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The Military-Industrial Complex is Ruining the Economy

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"just to kill others abroad"

man you have no business telling people they need to be more sophisticated. You're like a 9th grader who read Ayn Rand and is convinced that's all there is.

You go girl.

HAHA! Some serious irony and lack of self-awareness in that comment. Check the top of this very page. Holy moly, man. Full blown nutter.

Yes, there are such things as intangible benefits that can't be quantified in $$$$. Life is full of such things. I wasn't aware there were people who are unaware of what an intangible benefit is or who, like you appear to be doing, dispute such a thing exists.

You are basically saying that US foreign aid, or any country's foreign aid for that matter, is a worthless expenditure and/or investment for the provider of that foreign aid. Yeah, maybe in some cheap cynical sense, it's a waste of money. But, unfortunately for you most people are capable of thinking more abstractly than you would like them to. Most people can see benefits to providing aid to others in need that, while not capable of strict quantitative analysis on an ROI spreadsheet, are still present in abundance. You could think of them as qualitative or intangible benefits.

For example, Norwegians have decided that providing $7.3 billion in aid to Ukraine benefits average Norwegians tremendously in a large variety of ways. Average Norwegians won't see more money in their personal bank accounts, but they will all receive enormous intangible benefits from the billions sent to Ukraine. Same things with Americans. Again, most people understand that. You would have to be some dark, obsessed, confused weirdo not to.

foxnews.com

Norway may become one of Ukraine’s top donors with proposed $7.3 billion aid package

Oil-rich Norway has proposed a $7.3 billion aid package to assist war-torn Ukraine. The package would stretch for five years and contribution to Ukraine’s military and civilian support.

Link:www.foxnews.com/world/norway-may-becom...