Even Jordan Peterson knows it's ridiculous to think Putin is some kind of unique evil (like Saddam was and Osama and Kaddafy and Noreiga, and so on) and even crazier to think that Ukraine can beat Russia.
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Lolly The Liar wrote:
John Macardle wrote:
They were addressed before you even posted it, as I said in my post. Never read?
Maybe "Heartless" should change his handle to "Clueless"?
Why would you call one of the guys that in MARCH said Ukraine would in fact lose the land areas that Russia was after (which has proven to be 100% true), “Clueless”? Russia controls close to 20-24% of Ukraine land area right now.
Remember when you guys were parroting that “Ukraine is winning the war!” and “Putin is done!” back in the second week? LOL!
How’re those sanctions working out? How’s the Ruble doing nowadays?
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“Even Jordan Peterson”
As if his opinion isn’t what everyone would expect it to be.
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carmine9 wrote:
Even Jordan Peterson knows it's ridiculous to think Putin is some kind of unique evil (like Saddam was and Osama and Kaddafy and Noreiga, and so on) and even crazier to think that Ukraine can beat Russia.
Oh look. Carmine posting another video from a hateful lunatic nut job. I would be shocked, but every time Carmine posts it's another hate filled idiot ranting about something they don't understand. Does Jordan Peterson have any particular insight into Ukraine's (or Russia's) military strategy? Does he have any insight into the equipment that either side possess? Or how they're using intel? Or the capabilities of their leadership? Or how Russia is going to compensate for the thousands of pieces of equipment they've lost? Does he provide a plan for how Russia is going to regain the momentum they lost when they got routed in Kharkiv? Does he address the low morale amongst Russian forces? Does he explain why Russia needs to mobilize another 300,000 troops if they're winning? Or, how throwing a bunch of felons onto the front line will improve Russia's offensive capabilities? No. The answer to all of these questions is no. Why? Because Jordan Peterson is a d-bag sitting in his basement in Canada ranting about the "gays" and "masculinity".
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Heartlesss wrote:
Lolly The Liar wrote:
Maybe "Heartless" should change his handle to "Clueless"?
Why would you call one of the guys that in MARCH said Ukraine would in fact lose the land areas that Russia was after (which has proven to be 100% true), “Clueless”? Russia controls close to 20-24% of Ukraine land area right now.
Remember when you guys were parroting that “Ukraine is winning the war!” and “Putin is done!” back in the second week? LOL!
How’re those sanctions working out? How’s the Ruble doing nowadays?
I never said any of those things you claim I did. Another fail.
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Heartlesss wrote:
Lolly The Liar wrote:
Maybe "Heartless" should change his handle to "Clueless"?
Why would you call one of the guys that in MARCH said Ukraine would in fact lose the land areas that Russia was after (which has proven to be 100% true), “Clueless”? Russia controls close to 20-24% of Ukraine land area right now.
Remember when you guys were parroting that “Ukraine is winning the war!” and “Putin is done!” back in the second week? LOL!
How’re those sanctions working out? How’s the Ruble doing nowadays?
So Russia didn't want to overthrow the Ukrainian government? (Hint, they wanted to, but couldn't).
So Russia didn't try and encircle Kyiv in March and fail (Hint, they tried to, they failed).
So Russia didn't want control of Kharkiv? (Hint, they did. They don't control it any longer.)
So Russia wanted to lose control of more territory in the last two weeks than they gained in the previous 6 months (along with dozens of tanks and hundreds of armored vehicles)?
So Russia wanted to resort to recruiting prisoners and pensioners to be cannon fodder?
So Russia wanted to make it a criminal offense for soldiers to surrender?
Once the sham referendums in Donetsk and Luhansk are done, how is Putin going to explain to Russia that Ukraine now occupies part of Russia? US and NATO have so far provided weapons to Ukraine on the condition that they aren't used to strike Russia. That limitation will almost certainly be lifted due to the referendums. Then, it's HIMARs time in Belgorod.
Hint, the sanctions are working great (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167193). Russia is completely unable to replace or repair the thousands of pieces of equipment they've lost.
Yeah, I would say "Clueless" is pretty apt title for you.
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Deno wrote:
How damn stupid is Putin anyway? Calling up people who have no business in any battle and will be more trouble than anything else. What an idiot, wow!
And this stupidity about claiming parts of Ukraine as belonging to Russia now, is this guy really this dumb?
I cannot believe just how stupid Putin and Russia has been with this. I had no idea they were this damn bad off,
Putin will have no choice but to do something stupid he won't accept defeat, and he is getting beat up bad.
What if the people of Donbas want to integrate into Russia?
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MasterStrategist wrote:
Heartlesss wrote:
I know many here like to ignore that this happened, but stop being intentionally-ignorant on what prompted this war, and how the rest of the world views the Powers of the West (US-NATO). They laugh at the hilariously-disingenuous “defending democracy” rationale in strategic areas that just-so-happen to align with US resource control interests.
Make no mistake: this was all planned (as evidenced by the sheer numbers of politicians and lobbyists “doing work” in Ukraine over the last decade)… as was the Russian response.
Why do all the pro-Russian trolls only post videos of conspiracy theory toting nutjobs ranting about topics they don’t understand, instead of any actual facts or analysis to support their argument?
Because the facts are inconvenient for your narrative: 14,000 civilians were killed for the last 8 years.
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Lollys Master wrote:
Timothy Foyle wrote:
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Germany (and Europe) going into recession this winter.
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Heartlesss wrote:
I know many here like to ignore that this happened, but stop being intentionally-ignorant on what prompted this war, and how the rest of the world views the Powers of the West (US-NATO). They laugh at the hilariously-disingenuous “defending democracy” rationale in strategic areas that just-so-happen to align with US resource control interests.
Make no mistake: this was all planned (as evidenced by the sheer numbers of politicians and lobbyists “doing work” in Ukraine over the last decade)… as was the Russian response.
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carmine9 wrote:
Even Jordan Peterson knows it's ridiculous to think Putin is some kind of unique evil (like Saddam was and Osama and Kaddafy and Noreiga, and so on) and even crazier to think that Ukraine can beat Russia.
It IS crazy to think that Ukraine can beat Russia . . . especially when Ukraine is beating the crap out of Russia!
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T-Shirt Zelenskyyy wrote:
Deno wrote:
How damn stupid is Putin anyway? Calling up people who have no business in any battle and will be more trouble than anything else. What an idiot, wow!
And this stupidity about claiming parts of Ukraine as belonging to Russia now, is this guy really this dumb?
I cannot believe just how stupid Putin and Russia has been with this. I had no idea they were this damn bad off,
Putin will have no choice but to do something stupid he won't accept defeat, and he is getting beat up bad.
What if the people of Donbas want to integrate into Russia?
Zelensky won large majorities in Donbas in 2019. And even among the separatists, integration into Russia was never their demand. DPR and LPR have always demanded independence from Ukraine and to have a loose federation with Russia, like Belarus.
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Timothy Foyle wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Even Jordan Peterson knows it's ridiculous to think Putin is some kind of unique evil (like Saddam was and Osama and Kaddafy and Noreiga, and so on) and even crazier to think that Ukraine can beat Russia.
It IS crazy to think that Ukraine can beat Russia . . . especially when Ukraine is beating the crap out of Russia!
Peterson's dodge on that issue is that he argues that victory over Russia by pushing them back to Feb 24 borders (or further) will actually be a victory for Russia because Ukraine will be destroyed in the process and everyone in Europe will freeze this winter. So, by Peterson's logic, the US won the Vietnam war.
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Lolly The Liar wrote:
Heartlesss wrote:
Why would you call one of the guys that in MARCH said Ukraine would in fact lose the land areas that Russia was after (which has proven to be 100% true), “Clueless”? Russia controls close to 20-24% of Ukraine land area right now.
Remember when you guys were parroting that “Ukraine is winning the war!” and “Putin is done!” back in the second week? LOL!
How’re those sanctions working out? How’s the Ruble doing nowadays?
So Russia didn't want to overthrow the Ukrainian government? (Hint, they wanted to, but couldn't).
So Russia didn't try and encircle Kyiv in March and fail (Hint, they tried to, they failed).
So Russia didn't want control of Kharkiv? (Hint, they did. They don't control it any longer.)
So Russia wanted to lose control of more territory in the last two weeks than they gained in the previous 6 months (along with dozens of tanks and hundreds of armored vehicles)?
So Russia wanted to resort to recruiting prisoners and pensioners to be cannon fodder?
So Russia wanted to make it a criminal offense for soldiers to surrender?
Once the sham referendums in Donetsk and Luhansk are done, how is Putin going to explain to Russia that Ukraine now occupies part of Russia? US and NATO have so far provided weapons to Ukraine on the condition that they aren't used to strike Russia. That limitation will almost certainly be lifted due to the referendums. Then, it's HIMARs time in Belgorod.
Hint, the sanctions are working great (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167193). Russia is completely unable to replace or repair the thousands of pieces of equipment they've lost.
Yeah, I would say "Clueless" is pretty apt title for you.
No, no that was NEVER their objective (as we said since day 1).
Remember the Ghost of Kiev story? Or the legend of those 13 defiant soldiers in the early days? (Both proven hoaxes.) Man, just think- Ukraine controlled 100% of Ukraine back then.
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T-Shirt Zelenskyyy wrote:
Deno wrote:
How damn stupid is Putin anyway? Calling up people who have no business in any battle and will be more trouble than anything else. What an idiot, wow!
And this stupidity about claiming parts of Ukraine as belonging to Russia now, is this guy really this dumb?
I cannot believe just how stupid Putin and Russia has been with this. I had no idea they were this damn bad off,
Putin will have no choice but to do something stupid he won't accept defeat, and he is getting beat up bad.
What if the people of Donbas want to integrate into Russia?
The Washington Post has done polling on this (it's been linked to in this thread). As of January 2022, 42% of the population of Donbas wanted to remain part of Ukraine, 31% wanted to join Russia, and 9% wanted independence from both.
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Heartlesss wrote:
Lolly The Liar wrote:
So Russia didn't want to overthrow the Ukrainian government? (Hint, they wanted to, but couldn't).
So Russia didn't try and encircle Kyiv in March and fail (Hint, they tried to, they failed).
So Russia didn't want control of Kharkiv? (Hint, they did. They don't control it any longer.)
So Russia wanted to lose control of more territory in the last two weeks than they gained in the previous 6 months (along with dozens of tanks and hundreds of armored vehicles)?
So Russia wanted to resort to recruiting prisoners and pensioners to be cannon fodder?
So Russia wanted to make it a criminal offense for soldiers to surrender?
Once the sham referendums in Donetsk and Luhansk are done, how is Putin going to explain to Russia that Ukraine now occupies part of Russia? US and NATO have so far provided weapons to Ukraine on the condition that they aren't used to strike Russia. That limitation will almost certainly be lifted due to the referendums. Then, it's HIMARs time in Belgorod.
Hint, the sanctions are working great (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167193). Russia is completely unable to replace or repair the thousands of pieces of equipment they've lost.
Yeah, I would say "Clueless" is pretty apt title for you.
No, no that was NEVER their objective (as we said since day 1).
Remember the Ghost of Kiev story? Or the legend of those 13 defiant soldiers in the early days? (Both proven hoaxes.) Man, just think- Ukraine controlled 100% of Ukraine back then.
Oh right. The Russian apologists called it a feint, while everybody with more than three functioning brain cells called it a rout of Russian forces. The 35th CAA did not march toward Kyiv for funsies. They intended to encircle Kyiv and force regime change. Poor logistics and a thwarted attack at Hostomel on the first night of the invasion prevented that from happening. Everybody now understands how this unfolded. Denying it just makes you look like a moron for the sake of being a moron.
Umm... no, Ukraine did not control 100% of Ukraine "back then". You really are "clueless". You may not have heard of a place called Crimea. It's part of Ukraine. Russia invaded it in 2014. You may also be unaware that there were large parts of both Donetsk and Luhansk that Ukraine did not control "back then".
Don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy.
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Lolly The Liar wrote:
Heartlesss wrote:
No, no that was NEVER their objective (as we said since day 1).
Remember the Ghost of Kiev story? Or the legend of those 13 defiant soldiers in the early days? (Both proven hoaxes.) Man, just think- Ukraine controlled 100% of Ukraine back then.
Oh right. The Russian apologists called it a feint, while everybody with more than three functioning brain cells called it a rout of Russian forces. The 35th CAA did not march toward Kyiv for funsies. They intended to encircle Kyiv and force regime change. Poor logistics and a thwarted attack at Hostomel on the first night of the invasion prevented that from happening. Everybody now understands how this unfolded. Denying it just makes you look like a moron for the sake of being a moron.
Umm... no, Ukraine did not control 100% of Ukraine "back then". You really are "clueless". You may not have heard of a place called Crimea. It's part of Ukraine. Russia invaded it in 2014. You may also be unaware that there were large parts of both Donetsk and Luhansk that Ukraine did not control "back then".
Don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy.
Yeah, yeah, they tried to encircle Kiev……… BUT THEN THE GHOST OF KIEV SINGLE-HANDEDLY DESTROYED THEM ALL!! LOL!!
Know what else happened in Ukraine in 2014? (Hint: It’s a key event of this decade-long build up.)
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Heartlesss wrote:
Wow. I didn't realize Carmine wrote on substack.
Do you really read this sh*t? Do you believe it when you do?
This is why Biden continues to send hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine. They are protecting their Deep State proxy.Anybody who uses the term "Deep State proxy" should be publicly flogged.
Putin clarifies that the reason for the Special Military Operation was a “preemptive measure”, as the West/NATO were looking to bring Nuclear Weapons into Ukraine, in addition to the weapons and activity already going on in Ukraine (Biolab network).Why is Nuclear Weapons capitalized? Is it Just Because the Author is a F*cking moron?
Putin goes on to address the methodical pace of the Military Operation. Clarifying that they are operating with intention to preserve human lives, and liberate the formerly Russian Donbas from the cruel Neo-Nazi regime.Putin isn't concerned about turning Russians into cannon fodder either, that's why he's recruiting untrained prisoners and pensioners to send to the front lines. What does "formerly Russian Donbas" refer to? Because Ukraine as was a Soviet Republic, and therefore Donbas was part of (NOT) Russia? Did all the Russian troops run away from Kharkiv so quickly that they couldn't take any of their equipment with them so that they could save (their own) lives? Did Russian soldiers shoot civilians in Bucha to save lives? Are Russians running like scared rats because of Putin's mobilization order so that they can save (their own) lives? Is the author of this article a f*cking imbecile?
I can't even read any more of this drivel.
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Heartlesss wrote:
Lolly The Liar wrote:
Oh right. The Russian apologists called it a feint, while everybody with more than three functioning brain cells called it a rout of Russian forces. The 35th CAA did not march toward Kyiv for funsies. They intended to encircle Kyiv and force regime change. Poor logistics and a thwarted attack at Hostomel on the first night of the invasion prevented that from happening. Everybody now understands how this unfolded. Denying it just makes you look like a moron for the sake of being a moron.
Umm... no, Ukraine did not control 100% of Ukraine "back then". You really are "clueless". You may not have heard of a place called Crimea. It's part of Ukraine. Russia invaded it in 2014. You may also be unaware that there were large parts of both Donetsk and Luhansk that Ukraine did not control "back then".
Don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy.
Yeah, yeah, they tried to encircle Kiev……… BUT THEN THE GHOST OF KIEV SINGLE-HANDEDLY DESTROYED THEM ALL!! LOL!!
Know what else happened in Ukraine in 2014? (Hint: It’s a key event of this decade-long build up.)
I think we need a separate thread for those of us who have something to say that is not official US propaganda
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Timothy Foyle wrote:
It IS crazy to think that Ukraine can beat Russia . . . especially when Ukraine is beating the crap out of Russia!
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