Good move, it is better utilisation of light hours in the evening when needed most.
There are places with permanent offset, such as Cape Town , South Africa, which is on 18 deg east, with the time based on the 30 deg longitude (Jo'burg 26 deg, Durban 30 deg), so it has an effective 48 min 'saving'.
If DST becomes year-round, then isn't that just redefining standard time?
Shouldn't the time be based on setting noon when the sun hits apex during the day?
The problem with doing that way is solar noon varies east-west. 10 miles east or west solar noon occurs at a different time.
China has an interesting single time zone that spans what would be five zones in adjacent countries. Local jurisdictions decide when businesses and schools open and close based on the sun rising and setting. That is more along the lines of using local solar noon as a decision maker.
Arizona is sort of between time zones and hasn't followed DST for 40 years. If AZ remains in non-DST, which seems likely because weather was their reason for being non-DST, it will remain a state with a different time setting.
This is progress. It's undeniable that virtually everyone working a 9-5 job was in a significantly better mood for their evening commute yesterday than they were the week before. More daylight is awesome. F*ck them kids.
I can understand DST as providing better daylight hours around the Spring/Summer days, but not a permanent change. If communities wanted earlier schedules, wouldn't they just move them up for the convenience? Of course, communities can now move out schedules for the convenience if they so wish.
I haven't changed my time the last two years. If you are on a fixed schedule, set my other people, I will guess that you will be less thrilled by not changing the time all year than you guess. Though, of course, Changing the time by an hour all at once is stupid for health reasons. And it was really peaceful the last couple of months, during morning runs, when you all were in the other time zone.
Having kids walk to school or wait for buses in the morning in the dark in the winter will be dangerous. Either way they go home in the daylight. This is a vote against safety.
A morning over evening commute in the dark for the masses isn’t great either.
There’s about 10 hours of daylight in the winter. This changes daylight from 7:00 - 5:00 to 8:00 - 6:00.
8 am darkness is rough.
Basically we change times back and forth now to adjust to sunrise. We can stop the time change but we can’t stop when the sun rises.
Having kids walk to school or wait for buses in the morning in the dark in the winter will be dangerous. Either way they go home in the daylight. This is a vote against safety.
A morning over evening commute in the dark for the masses isn’t great either.
There’s about 10 hours of daylight in the winter. This changes daylight from 7:00 - 5:00 to 8:00 - 6:00.
8 am darkness is rough.
Basically we change times back and forth now to adjust to sunrise. We can stop the time change but we can’t stop when the sun rises.
if you dont like what time the schools open, change the time the schools open... you dont make the entire country change their clocks!
I'm all about some year round DST but Congress should be working on and passing more important things.
As a morning person, I am not a supporter. However, I agree that Congress should concentrate on more important things.
Doesn't seem as if they spent any time on this at all. Just another knee jerk vote about what feels right.
one poster already pointed out how late his sunrise will be at points of the year. I'm looking for an article I read a while back about some of the pitfalls of either permanent DST or standard time.
They don’t need schools opening late the entire school year. Only when the daylight hours are short.
So your saying to change the start time twice, which is what they do now.
Personally, I like getting up earlier for work when daylight is long and going in later when the days are shorter. So, it’s not just about schools for me.
School opening times can be moved to a later time. Every study that's been done on this says they should be. Maybe permanent DST will make that happen.
Argentina did this approximately ten years ago and I was sitting in a tech conference, listening to renowned Google Engineer Jon Skeet, rant on about this. Apparently, the Argentinians passed the law ten days before it went into effect and Google London had to change the base temporal structure on a dime, foregoing testing in a lot of places prior to the deadline. Fire lit under their but lime Y2K.
It just got me thinking...we do not have 24 hours in a day. It comes out to 23 hours, 56 minutes on average. Why dont we have a device with the technology to keep accurate time based on the positions of the moon and sun? At a given longitudinal and latitudinal coordinate pair, we should be able to infer the exact time of day. Then we dont need a daylight saving. It just works as is.
Then, once this is accomplished we can switch our focus to the 360 degree unit circle system and re-assess that too. Gilbert Strang of M.I.T. would love to see it!
School opening times can be moved to a later time. Every study that's been done on this says they should be. Maybe permanent DST will make that happen.
So, have schools stay on standard time all year and keep the parents on DST.
You then lose the opportunity for the kids to have the extra daylight after school in the spring and early fall. And have adults commute in the dark in the winter mornings.
Again, I like waiting for sunrise to start my work day.
If you keep one time all year, it should be standard time.
For the PNW, my ideal would be DST for the winter months cause yes, it's depressing when it's dark at 4pm, but Standard time for the summers. The day is long enough already. It's exhausting for it to be bright at 9:30pm. Doesn't anyone else want the cool cover of night? I don't need every dinner outside to feel like a weekend barbecue at 2pm. I want true summer nights, to be outside when it's warm but without the blinding sunshine.
