Yeah, people are pretty naive. Of course they are doping. Which coach of world class runners does not know what Nandrolone is? A lot of high school coaches know what it is. Don't know what they are exactly using, but they are using.
That's my thought. Al Sal and Rupp were a heck of a duo who changed American distance running forever. They laid out a blueprint. Heck, look at the depth we see with all of these insane HS times. It has trickled down.
The “secret” is taking the best athletes in N. America, throwing all the eggs against the wall, calling the ones that don’t break a success, and forgetting the ones that break down and underperform. I am sure Simon Bairu, Tim Nelson, Chris Derrick, German Fernandez and the other mega-talented underperformers through the years would love to be let in on the BTC “secret.”
Fisher admitted as much in a recent interview. He said you get destroyed by a huge increase in both volume AND intensity, and either start thriving or… don’t. He said thankfully he started thriving.
This style of coaching is not secret, or impressive in my opinion. It’s quite common in the NCAA. My PAC-10 coach had the same system: huge step up in volume and intensity, no personalization, one size fits all. Guess what, tons of people break. I think of my recruiting class of 8, one (1!) made it through all 4 years of eligibility without getting chronically injured, cut, or quitting.
Jerry is just doing the same thing but with the very best athletes. He probably doesn’t have time to individualize training and properly manage intensity to avoid trashing some of our best— he’s trying to keep up with the latest developments in our sport, like knowing what nandrolone is.
I agree that lots of college coaches throw the eggs against the wall - or at least they used to.
But Jerry? No. Please tell me 1 person in the group who hasn't done well at least for a bit. Kate Grace?
Chris Derrick at 7:43/13:08/2:12 is a bust by Bowerman standards and his college pbs wer 7:36/13:19.
The secret is a) they get super talent and b) train them very hard and very smart as the 2nd poster said.
Fisher came a close 5th in the Olympic 10,000 last summer. how 'slow' would you expect his indoor 5000 6 months later for you not to consider it a 'suspicious.... drastic improvement'?
....Not to mention Fisher's progression from HS junior through Stanford and onto pros has been a continual improving progression. When you look at all the others he beat and their incredible times, Grant Fisher's performance at BU is not at all surprising in comparrison. He was beating Mantz and McGorty in HS and NCAA and now pros. ....Despite being younger!
As far as beating Ahmed....not sure that happens every time out and probably goes the other way this summer, but Fisher has demonstratably more speed at the end after blazing that 4:57 2k. That's world class
definitely--he never had a significant injury at Stanford though as he admits in an interview after his NCAA 5000m 3rd place in 2018, that he could commit more to running in light of his heavy engineering course-load; He always had the talent and the motivation, he has just been able to focus on the running now for the past 2 1/2 years in a world class group...no surprise to me to be honest!