Sprinting had a wide racial diversity right up to about 10.2 in the record progression, then after the 1950s the whites sort of dropped out of the picture for no apparent reason.
Racial supremacy theories about this are groundless, more likely track lost popularity among whites. This was right around the time youth soccer became popular, mainly among the middle class suburbanites, who were mostly white at the time. Despite appearances, soccer is better prep for endurance running than sprints.
More recently, white kids gravitated to the new sport/pastime of skateboarding
Yes, this is all true.
Also, we need to factor in the stereotyping by teachers and coaches, pushing black kids into sprinting, and the related lack of self-belief from young white sprinters.
Afro-Americans dominated boxing, particularly the heavier divisions, for decades, and there was the same racial 'fast twitch muscle' theories for that. That's all changed over the last couple of decades.
Look at the shameful way that Alan Wells has been dismissed, almost erased from the history books, simply because he was white, and therefore assumed to have only won his Olympic gold because of the boycott. Yet, he beat all the top (black) Americans in 80 and 81, and his times were close to 10 flat performing mostly without blocks (first time he used them was in Moscow) at sea level 40 years ago.
Also, we need to factor in the stereotyping by teachers and coaches, pushing black kids into sprinting, and the related lack of self-belief from young white sprinters.
Afro-Americans dominated boxing, particularly the heavier divisions, for decades, and there was the same racial 'fast twitch muscle' theories for that. That's all changed over the last couple of decades.
Look at the shameful way that Alan Wells has been dismissed, almost erased from the history books, simply because he was white, and therefore assumed to have only won his Olympic gold because of the boycott. Yet, he beat all the top (black) Americans in 80 and 81, and his times were close to 10 flat performing mostly without blocks (first time he used them was in Moscow) at sea level 40 years ago.
Wasn’t Wells doped to the gills?
Probably. And wouldn't have won in Moscow without the boycott.
Also, we need to factor in the stereotyping by teachers and coaches, pushing black kids into sprinting, and the related lack of self-belief from young white sprinters.
BS.
Let me know when you actually get involved with coaching.
Look at the shameful way that Alan Wells has been dismissed, almost erased from the history books, simply because he was white, and therefore assumed to have only won his Olympic gold because of the boycott. Yet, he beat all the top (black) Americans in 80 and 81, and his times were close to 10 flat performing mostly without blocks (first time he used them was in Moscow) at sea level 40 years ago.
Why do you lie? Wells used starting blocks way before 1980. In 1978 he followed his wife's advice to try starting without blocks and that became his preferred way.
Why do you lie? Wells used starting blocks way before 1980. In 1978 he followed his wife's advice to try starting without blocks and that became his preferred way.
He’s incapable of refraining from lying. His word is mud.
Infantry personnel tend to be the most athletic. Except for air force and navy who do not have infantry, most special forces personnel come from infantry. The 100m type of athlete were in infantry in large numbers, WW2. Many European 100m types died without being able reproduce due to infantry duty, WW2. As you know, there was not one ethnic group or one racial group dominating 100m, 1930's through 1950's. No one would have said 1930's to 1950's one racial group are going to earn all 100m Olympic medals. Death of thousands of European 100m type of athlete, WW2 is a point to consider. The further we move away from WW2, the statistical distortion of WW2 is diminished every year.
Sprinting had a wide racial diversity right up to about 10.2 in the record progression, then after the 1950s the whites sort of dropped out of the picture for no apparent reason.
Racial supremacy theories about this are groundless, more likely track lost popularity among whites. This was right around the time youth soccer became popular, mainly among the middle class suburbanites, who were mostly white at the time. Despite appearances, soccer is better prep for endurance running than sprints.
More recently, white kids gravitated to the new sport/pastime of skateboarding
Something similar occurred in the NFL. There used to be plenty of whites in the speed positions but by the mid-to-late 80's they became almost non-existent. I remember reading an article in Sports Illustrated around 1987 explaining that NFL GMs preferred blacks in positions like wide receiver because right or wrong, they perceived blacks as faster.
Things have obviously evolved since then because seeing a white receiver or punt returner is really nothing out of the ordinary these days.
Blacks are generally faster because their body structure is more often suited for running, Longer lower limbs, narrower hips, longer lower body, shorter torso, this is science....Statistically, we see a big disparity in numbers of top level sprinters of dfferent races. There is no way to deny this...
Blacks are generally faster because their body structure is more often suited for running, Longer lower limbs, narrower hips, longer lower body, shorter torso, this is science....Statistically, we see a big disparity in numbers of top level sprinters of dfferent races. There is no way to deny this...
What is there to deny? You called it "science," show the actual science to refute. Nothing there but an opinion
The best athletes on the planet are black. Stop the conversationright there and few will argue the point. It's always the nextcomment that burns down the
8.Alabama....Emiitt King....D.Baston...James Mallard...Calvin Smith
There is only one white sprinter up there in Boling. I can do that for all the conferences, yep geek/nerd and it's the same thing maybe one or two at the most white sprinters making these 4x1 teams. It's very obvious those with western African roots have unique physical traits that give them advantages when it comes to speed and agility. There are no white Devin Hesters, Billy White Shoes Johnon's, Dana Hall's.
Yes there are differences in us humans, how anyone can't see that is a...????....when it can't be more obvious. Just turn on a football game, basketball game, track meet..BOOM.there it is,
On the all time world U20 list for the 100m:
Christopher LeMaitre is still 9th
The vast majority of the guys ranked ahead of LeMaitre had winds of +1.6 or faster while LeMaitre had +0.2. LeMaitre is still arguably one of the best junior sprinters ever, despite the literal thousands of college freshman and even some sophomores in the US that were u20 that have come and gone in the NCAA since he competed.
Adam Gemili is 13th
Yoshihide Kiryu from Japan is tied for 4th
Matt Boling is tied for 40th
German sprinter Sven Matthes is still tied for 56th with Noah Lyles!
Filippo Tortu from Italy and Jake Doran from Australia are tied for 62
Denis Dimitrov from Bulgaria is tied for 68
Justin Gatlin is tied for 25th and Christian Coleman is tied for 80th on this same list for point of reference.
Sprinters of non-west African descent probably make up somewhere around 10-15% of the top 100 on the all-time U20 list for the 100m. The list is dominated by American and Caribbean sprinters where track is far more popular and high school and college programs produce a lot more U20 athletes.
As I said earlier in the thread, I am not prepared to say that whites are inherently slow, because there are few at the highest levels of professional sprinting. We might as well say that because black men and women are under represented at the highest levels of industry and commerce, that they are cognitively deficient. I don’t believe that, and I suspect you don’t either. I think it probable that there are other reasons for their absence, and for whites in sprinting. So I don’t want to use the reasoning “because they’re not here, they must be inferior.” People feel free to use that reasoning with whites because it’s considered ok to be stereotypical and judgmental with that group, but that doesn’t make it correct.
I wonder how many of these elite white sprinters actually have some African ancestry if you dig far enough back. Probably more than you think. There is a huge huge genetic component to sprinting.
The differences WITHIN races are much different the differences BETWEEN races. I may have stated under this handle or my second favorite handle T&F (200-3000)m utility man, it is not even a proven fact that the majority of sub-48 400m men are from one racial heritage group. The traits you listed a bit early in this thread: long leg to height ratio, small ankles, small knees, narrow hips ... . You're describing Kenyan & Ugandan 5000m, 10000m, 1/2 Marathoners and Marathoners. I don't necessarily believe all F.A.T. sub-10.2 100m men have small ankles, small knees, narrow hips and exceptionally long legs in relation to their height. Poster, you need to look at the list of top 250 all-time 100m men. Many have a White parent. If some mysterious west African gene is solely responsible for one's ability to sprint F.A.T. sub-10.2 100m, there would be zero over lap. You need to explain why the fastest 100m men are not consistently directly from west African nations. You cannot assume someone who may be a descendant of slaves possesses a majority of west African d.n.a. Possible genetic traits may be able to explain 5000m to Marathon athletes, not 100m & 200m. White males are more likely to earn medals 100m to 400m than earn medals 5000m to Marathon. As I have stated previously, how many of you so-called naturally slow gals & guys on this site put in the effort to free weight squat 2.25 x your body weight? How many of you so-called naturally slow gals & guys on this site sat down and reviewed numerous super slow motion film of your sprint form with an elite sprinter or a sprint coach? How many of you so-called naturally slow gals & guys on this site trained as a sprinter? I don't mean 5 to 10 100m on dead legs after practice.
The differences WITHIN races are much different the differences BETWEEN races. I may have stated under this handle or my second favorite handle T&F (200-3000)m utility man, it is not even a proven fact that the majority of sub-48 400m men are from one racial heritage group. The traits you listed a bit early in this thread: long leg to height ratio, small ankles, small knees, narrow hips ... . You're describing Kenyan & Ugandan 5000m, 10000m, 1/2 Marathoners and Marathoners. I don't necessarily believe all F.A.T. sub-10.2 100m men have small ankles, small knees, narrow hips and exceptionally long legs in relation to their height. Poster, you need to look at the list of top 250 all-time 100m men. Many have a White parent. If some mysterious west African gene is solely responsible for one's ability to sprint F.A.T. sub-10.2 100m, there would be zero over lap. You need to explain why the fastest 100m men are not consistently directly from west African nations. You cannot assume someone who may be a descendant of slaves possesses a majority of west African d.n.a. Possible genetic traits may be able to explain 5000m to Marathon athletes, not 100m & 200m. White males are more likely to earn medals 100m to 400m than earn medals 5000m to Marathon. As I have stated previously, how many of you so-called naturally slow gals & guys on this site put in the effort to free weight squat 2.25 x your body weight? How many of you so-called naturally slow gals & guys on this site sat down and reviewed numerous super slow motion film of your sprint form with an elite sprinter or a sprint coach? How many of you so-called naturally slow gals & guys on this site trained as a sprinter? I don't mean 5 to 10 100m on dead legs after practice.
A lot of logic here, thank you for your thoughts. The picture is not as clear as some would make it out to be.
