phded wrote:
Dropping out is not good. It's one thing if you are injured, but she has now allowed herself to drop out of a race because she wasn't going to win. Or she started to tie up. Whatever the reason, it will be significantly easier to drop out next time. She showed her competitors that mentally she can be broken.
If her coach, going forward is smart, there will never be a next time.
Mu Goo Gai Pan wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Mu has earned some criticism for dropping out without apparent injury - which is fair enough - but I would grant in her favour that she tried to compete but found out that she was simply outclassed in that event. A painful lesson to learn.
^ This.
Agreed, I love that she went hard for it from the beginning and I hate that she dropped out. I doubt she had much more than a 40 second last lap in her seeing how she went from a 16.4 to a 18.0 in her last two 100s. If she had stuck with the other pack she might have been able to kick to a 4:26-28.
How many Olympic gold medalists have you coached since you claim to know more than her coach? When she drops a 1:53 this summer, her coach will show that his plan is sound. But he doesn't need to prove it to you. I doubt he cares what you think about her training or racing.
Badder than bad wrote:
How many Olympic gold medalists have you coached since you claim to know more than her coach? When she drops a 1:53 this summer, her coach will show that his plan is sound. But he doesn't need to prove it to you. I doubt he cares what you think about her training or racing.
Because A. Mu won an Olympic gold that does not make her coach a genius. Let me guess. A. Mu, prior to Olympics went on 5 mile to 10 mile runs. Let me guess. A. Mu prior to Olympics did 200m & 300m repeats. Coach messed up for a payday this weekend.
Messed up how exactly? They got paid. She will win world championship gold in the 800. She will break the American record in the 1500 in a few years.
I think she got in over her head, instead of just settling for a PR, she decided to compete. Unfortunately, she choose to compete against athletes out of her league. On the lap before she dropped out she looked to be ok, I think she was hurting like heck and the thought of running 2 more laps feeling that caused her to cave. People aways speculate what 400/800 athlete could do in a mile, and I always say the biggest problem is getting a fast twitch athlete to deal with the mental stress of aerobic fatigue. When you train for distance you are not just training your body, you are also training your mind. I think she could have physically hung on for a massive PR, perhaps sub-4:30, but mentally she was shot. I hate to see DNFs but you do have to give her credit for trying to hang with some the best distance runners in the world.
there hopefully will be no next time wrote:
If her coach, going forward is smart, there will never be a next time.
This is the same coach that didn't teach Athing Mu how to use blocks before the 400 at the indoor NCAA Championships. (I've literally never seen another runner at an NCAA national championships not know how to use blocks.)
It's also the same coach that didn't have her prepared for the obvious tactic of another runner cutting inside her at the 200m mark at those same indoor national championships, which caused Athing Mu to lose the race.
It's also the same coach that didn't prepare her on how to run a smarter race against milers that were much more experienced than her and in better shape. Going out in (a way too fast for her) 2:10 while running almost in the second lane? Give me a break! That shows a complete lack of common sense on the part of the coach.
Her coach isn't smart when it comes to preparing Athing Mu how to race.
Running in the Desert wrote:
there hopefully will be no next time wrote:
If her coach, going forward is smart, there will never be a next time.
This is the same coach that didn't teach Athing Mu how to use blocks before the 400 at the indoor NCAA Championships. (I've literally never seen another runner at an NCAA national championships not know how to use blocks.)
It's also the same coach that didn't have her prepared for the obvious tactic of another runner cutting inside her at the 200m mark at those same indoor national championships, which caused Athing Mu to lose the race.
It's also the same coach that didn't prepare her on how to run a smarter race against milers that were much more experienced than her and in better shape. Going out in (a way too fast for her) 2:10 while running almost in the second lane? Give me a break! That shows a complete lack of common sense on the part of the coach.
Her coach isn't smart when it comes to preparing Athing Mu how to race.
Let's see a smart ass like you produce an Olympic champion.
TrackCoach wrote:
I think she got in over her head, instead of just settling for a PR, she decided to compete. Unfortunately, she choose to compete against athletes out of her league. On the lap before she dropped out she looked to be ok, I think she was hurting like heck and the thought of running 2 more laps feeling that caused her to cave. People aways speculate what 400/800 athlete could do in a mile, and I always say the biggest problem is getting a fast twitch athlete to deal with the mental stress of aerobic fatigue.
In the video Mu seems to cave in after 1300m when she is passed by Osika and Hull. It would be interesting to know if her body just locked up or if it was more mental, seeing the first 4 she had hung onto until 1200m get away and being passed by two others, realizing that she was not competitive even for 6th place or so.
Even more interesting would of course be the rationale for running the mile. The coach must have known that that 4:38 race wasn't a serious test for anything and that the pace of the leading group would be too fast for a reasonable PB around 4:30.
Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Running in the Desert wrote:
This is the same coach that didn't teach Athing Mu how to use blocks before the 400 at the indoor NCAA Championships. (I've literally never seen another runner at an NCAA national championships not know how to use blocks.)
It's also the same coach that didn't have her prepared for the obvious tactic of another runner cutting inside her at the 200m mark at those same indoor national championships, which caused Athing Mu to lose the race.
It's also the same coach that didn't prepare her on how to run a smarter race against milers that were much more experienced than her and in better shape. Going out in (a way too fast for her) 2:10 while running almost in the second lane? Give me a break! That shows a complete lack of common sense on the part of the coach.
Her coach isn't smart when it comes to preparing Athing Mu how to race.
Let's see a smart ass like you produce an Olympic champion.
If her coach is a coaching genius as you are imply, tell him to turn another random girl from NJ into a 1:55.xx 800m runner.
* 1000m should be the upper racing limit for a truly elite 400m/800m athlete.
* 1500m is pushing it.
* For 1500m to 5000m types, going from 1500m to one mile seems like no big deal. No one mile race ever for 400m/800m athletes.
Gold medal in Olympics does not mean he didn't place A. Mu in one mile race for the money.
runningfan87 wrote:
Wtf is this post Rojo? Celebrating someone dropping out of a race? I love Mu and think shes gonna be the 800 goat when its all done, but praising her for dropping out is so incredibly weird.
+1
This new generation of "quitting is acceptable" truly sucks. Simone Biles blazing a trail of losers.
227414 wrote:
Or, would you like a young freakishly good athlete who plays it safe. I would go with the former.
Has there EVER been a great athlete that plays it safe?
We now know that winning isn't courageous, quitting is. We learned that from Osaka and Biles and now we have a third example with Mu.
I wonder if this now makes them all more courageous than the first ever courageous athlete Jenner.
Yes. She got paid to run the mile. She had to be within 5 seconds of the leader at 1200. This is her job which sometimes requires sacrifices. Imagine if your boss sent you to a conference next Saturday and paid you $10k for doing it.
there hopefully will be no next time wrote:
* 1000m should be the upper racing limit for a truly elite 400m/800m athlete.
* 1500m is pushing it.
* For 1500m to 5000m types, going from 1500m to one mile seems like no big deal. No one mile race ever for 400m/800m athletes.
Anecdotally, I have the impression that there are some 800/1500m runners already running comparably worse in mile races (as opposed to 1500/3000/5000 types). Although it might be also just the effect of the mile not raced that frequently, especially in Europe, that they just lack the experience.