Percentage of doctors and medical physicians who just want to pull every dollar out of you

doctors who care? wrote:

What percentage of doctors actually aren't trying to run every unnecessary test and do everything possibly to make as much as they can? Do they ever say," l sorry, l would be just taking your money, there is no need to run any test because you can get something over the counter at Walgreens "? Instead of saying,"l would like to run this test, and this procedure, and see this other doctor( my buddy because he needs money too) so l can solve this problem, and l will need you to come in for 5 more visits too( so l an run the bill up).

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Doctors don't force you to do anything. They make recommendations and it is up to you to do whatever in the hell you want.

Studies have shown that NPs and PAs order way more unnecessary tests than MDs/DOs.

It’s not so much the individual doctors, but the system as a whole. That’s my opinion.

idiot spotter wrote:

doctors who care? wrote:

What percentage of doctors actually aren't trying to run every unnecessary test and do everything possibly to make as much as they can? Do they ever say," l sorry, l would be just taking your money, there is no need to run any test because you can get something over the counter at Walgreens "? Instead of saying,"l would like to run this test, and this procedure, and see this other doctor( my buddy because he needs money too) so l can solve this problem, and l will need you to come in for 5 more visits too( so l an run the bill up).

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Doctors don't force you to do anything. They make recommendations and it is up to you to do whatever in the hell you want.

No they just tell you, if you don't get this (needless)procedure done you will die, when in fact that is not true.

doctors who care? wrote:

idiot spotter wrote:

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Doctors don't force you to do anything. They make recommendations and it is up to you to do whatever in the hell you want.

No they just tell you, if you don't get this (needless)procedure done you will die, when in fact that is not true.

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What procedure were you told to get that was unnecessary or you would die?

Or maybe, “ I think I know what this is, but I better order these tests just to be sure because some blood-sucking lawyer will sue my a__ if I screw up.”

You could just not ever go to the doctor and see what happens. Then you wouldn't have anything to complain about.

Doctors intend to prescribed people pills to feed into the big pharma system which they indirectly work for. But many businesses employing similar tactics. They want customers paying and coming back, they don't want one and dones. Thus prescriptions are made and they are predicated on a continuous revenue stream as the customers keeps on buying amd renewing the service. An example of another industry feeding the system would be if you go to a physiotherapist--they will tell you to keep coming back weekly at least and this subsequently provides them a continued revenue stream from their customer base. Business tactics are subtly exploitative but considered socially acceptable in many industries.

I have had some pretty well-known and influential sports medicine specialists try to sell me unnecessary surgeries and diagnostics.

Looking back, most of what they told me about injuries was false. They didn't know the cause of what ailed me, or the cure, which I figured out for myself over time. It's been many years since I needed their opinion on anything.

To keep them away, do 2 things

1) pay attention to your body and don't damage it

2) if you do damage it, rest and heal it up

100% People need to understand that doctors are businessmen and women first and they don't have any incentive to provide the most cost effective treatment recommendations for their patients.

This whole thread reeks of idiocy and confirms how little people know about how medicine works.

Physicians don't get kickback for prescribing drugs or ordering tests. They *may* get more RVUs for procedures if they perform them themselves. However, procedures need to be justified medically. They can't just do whatever they want willy-nilly: not only will insurance not cover the costs, but their licenses could be threatened if these recommendations aren't justified.

A physician is a healthcare consultant. When you have a problem or question and see a doctor, you are consulting with an expert. If you don't like their recommendations, feel free to shop around...but most doctors are just doing their best trying to troubleshoot a complex system and peel away potential diagnoses one horse (not zebra) at a time.

If you don't like it, enjoy consulting Dr. Google and just try to keep yourself out of healthcare by eating a healthy plant-based/mediterranean diet and other obvious preventive practices.

You need to find an older doctor in a private practice if you want decent care. It's the young docs in corporate medicine that have to see a bunch of patients each hour that have to rely on tests and mid-level providers instead of spending the extra time to evaluate the patient personally. I don't blame the docs, it is just the new normal of corporate medicine. Recent legislation caused a mass consolidation of insurers and providers in the interest of efficiency, which means less time with the patient.

I'm lucky. I fly fish with my doctor and his kids used to babysit my kids. In return, my family and I receive great care. I also have the best dental plan in the world, as I sleep with my dentist and specialists see my family for free because my wife refers tons of patients to them. Free ortho for my kids has been wonderful.

I see most medical people today as more useful idiots than as morally bankrupt. They are selected and trained to the highest possible degree of compliance with a fundamentally broken and corrupt system. By the time they might have misgivings, they are in deep and the bills they must pay call the tune.

totally radical dude wrote:

It’s not so much the individual doctors, but the system as a whole. That’s my opinion.

Simple truth.

I'll leave it at that.

Amazing. A thread where people that don’t understand how doctors are paid assume they know more than doctors. Please tell us what it is like to have IQs this high.

joed|rt wrote:

You need to find an older doctor in a private practice if you want decent care.

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Problem here is that older doctors obviously don't last. My last two primaries were in their 70's. Both have since passed, The only ones who are seeing new patients are younger docs in their 30's or 40's. Sure they are up on the new science, but they often sound like they are repeating the stuff they read in their textbooks.

dr phil wrote:

Amazing. A thread where people that don’t understand how doctors are paid assume they know more than doctors. Please tell us what it is like to have IQs this high.

This.

Also, the advice to “find an older doc in private practice” is asinine. Private practice is a dying breed, and most docs are under 60. Good luck finding this, plus a private practice that doesn’t nickel and dime you to meet its higher overhead.

If you all really think doctors in group/hospital practices are raking it in based on what they prescribe/recommend, you clearly don’t understand how payment systems and insurance work.

Lastly, I agree with posters who have suggested that the system is broken and doctors aren’t to blame. Most doctors these days are employed by hospital systems that pressure them to see as many patients as possible. If you feel rushed, blame the system and not the doctor.

My BIL is a doctor and I honestly think he tries to keep costs low for patients. With that said, a ton of his patients are morbidly obese (even young children often which is really sad). It's not like he goes "hey you don't have to lose weight. Just take this pill and see ya next month." It's often the case that people just don't do what they're supposed to do and the pharma costs skyrocket as a result.

As the man said, it's the System. Not the docs.

My little 12 mi ambulance ride to Kaiser after a mini stroke was billed at $2870.00 No treatment or equipment was used. I even walked to the big red bus and entertained the troops with compelling sea stories, but they charged for ekg, respiration, extra guys to lug the guts....and other things that they thought up. Of course I owed up and vpuced my indignation and bile. Medicare paid up to $200. But that seemed a little stiff for a ride across town.

The system is geared to do extrrme money-ectomies because its the "norm," the new American way, following the long green road of the poor and the average. (No "isms" were employed in this message.)