Bold opinion - if Athing Mu wanted to she would demolish the 1500m American record and easily beat every American runner

real question is could mu beat nick symmonds in a 1500...right now

would be a good video

Jagged Jag wrote:

Nope. I picked the current top Americans. Most will be shocked to see that to Americans develop slowly. I listed 5. If you call that cherry picking, I challenge you to list at least 5 current Americans in the range of 3:55-4:02 type PRs and list their PRs at age 19. You will lose. I didn't cherry pick at all. These are the only women that I think I left out who are in that range. Norris PR at 19 was 4:27. Mcgee was 4:16. Osika was 4:17. That's about everyone that I am aware of. That is the opposite of cherry picking. So Mu is faster than nearly every top American at the age of 19 but people don't think she can improve as much as women who were training for that distance? Logic says that she should be able to improve more than them.

Dude your the definition of a KOOK... just like arguing with a religious KOOK... you can literally do this for every top runner at any distance... 100m 200m 400m 800m 1500m 5000m... obviously the best in the world will have potential to be pretty good up or down 1...

WOW WHAT A SHOCK! GENIUS! YOUR EINSTEIN!! WHAT A REVELATION!!

She's not going to risk losing gold in 400 AND 800 for the chance to be an American record holder but SUCK internationally at all 3 distances!!!,

And it is cherry picking because your picking an age where she is and not taking into account she has made zero progress at 1500m...

Jenny simpson 1500m

2006 4:32.17 Boulder, CO (USA) 06 APR 2006

2007 4:21.53 Walnut, CA (USA) 13 APR 2007

2008 4:11.36 Luzern (SUI) 16 JUL 2008

2009 3:59.90 Eugene, OR (USA)

Simpson improves dramatically over 4 years to world class level

Athing mu

Outdoor 1500 Metres

Performance Place Date

2015 4:38.72 Norfolk, VA (USA) 04 AUG 2015

2016 4:38.48 Kissimmee, FL (USA) 14 JUL 2016

2017 4:33.04 Ypsilanti, MI (USA) 01 AUG 2017

2018 4:38.78 Des Moines, IA (USA) 31 JUL 2018

2021 4:16.06 Mike A. Myers Stadium, Austin, TX (USA)

2022 4:18.08 converted from mile

Athing mu shows stagnant times from terrible to plain bad by world class standards

And here's a bunch of girls way better at same age...

Tuohy 412 at 19... 409 converted at 19... Mary Cain 404 at 17... ethraimson 404 at at 18.

Rank Mark Competitor DOB Nat Pos Venue Date Results Score

1 4:03.39 Alexa EFRAIMSON 20 FEB 1997 USAUSA 7 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 30 MAY 2015 1178

2 4:04.62 Mary CAIN 03 MAY 1996 USAUSA 2f1 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 17 MAY 2013 1169

3 4:07.21 Kate MURPHY 15 AUG 1999 USAUSA 1 Somerville, MA (USA) 17 JUN 2016 1148

4 4:08.71 Christina ARAGON 17 JUN 1997 USAUSA 3 Zdzislaw Krzyszkowiak Stadium, Bydgoszcz (POL) 24 JUL 2016 1136

5 4:09.08 Katie RAINSBERGER 18 AUG 1998 USAUSA 2f1 Portland, OR (USA) 16 JUN 2017 1134

6 4:09.10 Suzy FAVOR HAMILTON 08 AUG 1968 USAUSA 6 San José (USA) 27 JUN 1987 1133

7 4:12.55 Katelyn TUOHY 18 MAR 2002 USAUSA 2h2 Paul Derr TF Facility, Raleigh, NC (USA) 13 MAY 2021 1107

Just the luck of the draw that the top three got injured there otherwise she would be way behind!

Not to mention another dozen girls 20 and 21 who are sub 410...

Yes she could potentially be a VERY good American 1500m runner while becoming worse at 400 and 800... it's not gonna happen! Because it would be a retarded version of success!

LITERALLY! RETARDING HER POTENTIAL!

Wise Old Man wrote:

I’m with you. I don’t put anything past her, but why would she bother? She’s already a world beater in the 800. I hope she sticks with it, wins in Eugene, Paris and breaks the wr. She may pick up a medal or two in the 400 and definitely some more relay golds. After all of this, if she then wants to move up, cool. Right now I hope she focuses on being the greatest 800 m runner of all time.

This.

If you can be the best in the world at one distance and darn good at the next shorter distance, why would you want to mess up your training to go for a longer distance?

I train for the 400/800. There is a huge difference between this training and 800/1500 training.

It's just more dopey than retarded...

Clearly she could be a good runner at 1500m if she trained for it. But to say she could demolish the American record which is what 356? That would mean she be running close to world record time for 1500m. And she hasn't shown that she has great endurance that's always been her weakness.

And like other people said so what. Mo Farah could have been a good 800m runner. But he wasn't going to be winning gold medals so who cares. He could have been potentially a medal candidate at 1500m but who cares because he wasn't going to be winning gold

Yeah when you're the best in the world you can move up a distance but it's not like a thing Mu has shown freakish Talent beyond the 400 or the 800

If you want to talk about freakish range Siffin Hassan is way better...

Don't open a thread if you aren't willing to contribute. Read the title. It doesn't ask if she is going to pursue the 1500 dummy. It asks about potential. It is like asking how good Tiger Woods woukd have been in the 400.

And your logic fails by listing these people..

Tuohy 412 at 19... 409 converted at 19... Mary Cain 404 at 17... ethraimson 404 at at 18.

The people that hold the record and are near it are the ones to look at. Those have all been listed. She is at or above their level at the same age. If she chose to train for 1500, she would run 3:54 in 3 years.

Not great endurance? She ran faster in the 1500 than the top American women did at the same age and she did it on less mileage. Imagine what you would have said about the other women when they were 19.

So she's gonna give up chasing double world records in 400 and 800 to focus on a doubtful chance at an American 1500m record... hmmmm..... I like it! That's patriotism! I knew she was country first!! Count me in!!!

big bop wrote:

Not great endurance? She ran faster in the 1500 than the top American women did at the same age and she did it on less mileage. Imagine what you would have said about the other women when they were 19.

She died 2 years ago and lost 2 Willis in a national hs championship, a girl 2 years younger... she died a year ago and lost indoor ncaa championship... she was routinely beaten at 1500m in hs... doesn't have hs 800 record... she's had a great 1 year stretch... but she should focus on winning golds in 400 and 800... she has no chance to get gold in 1500m...

Because, and u keep missing it... HER PROGRESSION TIMES ABSOLUTELY SUCK AT 1500M!

You completely blew it a year ago and 2 years ago by underestimating her. She has never trained for a 1500. She just shows up and runs. No doubt she would break the American record if she chose to. What did you predict for Houlihan when she was running 4:20 in college on 70MPW? Did you predict that woukd drop more than 20 seconds? No.

You didn't open the thread? You just responded unless your dog is doing it for you. Opening a thread means clicking on it after reading the title to OPEN it. Don't open a thread if you don't like the hypothetical situation.

Just look at her progressions, THEY SUCK....

A better thread title would be thank God AThing mu can hang on for 800m because she absolutely sucks at 1500m and would never be any good

Even her 1k time sucks... only 10 seconds off Mary Cain at the same age

Athing mu athletic.net

1000 Meters

2019 Indoor 17-18 2:44.43PR

1500 Meters

2013 Outdoor 11-12 4:48.58

2014 Outdoor 11-12 4:56.50

2015 Outdoor 13-14 4:50.74

2016 Outdoor 13-14 4:51.36

2017 Indoor 15-16 4:54.74PR

2017 Outdoor 15-16 4:33.04PR *

2018 Outdoor 15-16 4:34.51PR

2019 Outdoor 17-18 4:43.18

big bop wrote:

You didn't open the thread? You just responded unless your dog is doing it for you. Opening a thread means clicking on it after reading the title to OPEN it. Don't open a thread if you don't like the hypothetical situation.

Don't start a thread if you don't want to debate... man u must of been raised with the idea everything you did was great and gave everyone an mvp trophy because u got no,sense of reality

I don't know how it didn't sink in when another,19 year old is,running 358 and 159... and mu is 416 and 156... it's case closed bro... if she had any talent at 1500m she wouldn't continue to post crappy time every year... I mean she runs the distance every year and she sucks every year, and somehow you think she's going to be obliterated American records and approaching World Records

You're delusional

OP is starry eyed ... if u start training for 1500m, chance u could get injured from additional mileage. She would do better at the 200 than 1500.

In six or seven years I could see her doing some 1500m and doing well in tactical races. But the idea that she can set 1500m records and do things with ease and will continue that way is optimistic at best

Hassan! Yes, for sure. She might have a chance to medal in the 800 and the marathon at an Olympics or worlds. No, she’s not going to try, but literally it is not an insane notion. Sure, Mu is faster and Kipyegon and maybe now Gidey will have the better of Hassan at 10K, and sure, Hassan would need to train to be able to compete with Jepchirchir, but honestly Hassan is a one person track team. If you held all the Olympic championship races 800 through the marathon with say 1 week of rest between them and invited every top woman to compete in as many as they can handle, is there any doubt Hassan would crush the field? She’d be top 5 in every race and would likely win a couple of them. Has Hassan ever run steeple? She’d win it.

ContextisKing wrote:

Then how come her best 1500m time sucks by world class standards?

Because she’s undefeated in those efforts and hasn’t run in a world class race. She certainly could’ve been the best 1500m runner in college last year.

lost the weight wrote:

ContextisKing wrote:

Then how come her best 1500m time sucks by world class standards?

Because she’s undefeated in those efforts and hasn’t run in a world class race. She certainly could’ve been the best 1500m runner in college last year.

Talk is cheap. She lost races in her career at all distsnces. She lost at 1500m in hs, at 800, at 400, at 200.but she never put up a good 1500m time.

She wouldn't have won ncaa, she couldn't even win an indoor title and she couldn't double at her best distances outdoor but yet she's going to do it at 1 that she's never posted a fast time at

If you just want to make crap up then we can all live in Fantasyland but reality is she's been beat at all distances and she's never put down a good 1500m time that could win NCAA or professional or anything of significance

I would rather see what she can do at 400 than bother with 1500. Does she even like running longer distances? People seem to discount what people are actually interested in doing.