Really good (English) Ingebrigtsen training discussion

" Kristian from Norway" is a very ungrateful runner. JS coached him for free back in 2015 just two and a half months to improve all his personal bests and a marathon in 2.27 with a former 2.40 best.Then Kristian never communicated to the world of running it was the guru coach JS behind his remarkable improvement. Really a disgrace.

Colorado mountains wrote:

" Kristian from Norway" is a very ungrateful runner. JS coached him for free back in 2015 just two and a half months to improve all his personal bests and a marathon in 2.27 with a former 2.40 best.Then Kristian never communicated to the world of running it was the guru coach JS behind his remarkable improvement. Really a disgrace.

LOL!

Exactly. This is 100% correct. Why is it that so many people either don't understand this, or just choose to overlook this?

This is also why it's important to do a substantial portion of the base miles, especially in the early base period, at what many on these boards seem to regard as ridiculously easy pace. The endurance building value of these "easy day" runs is, at best, their third priority purpose. The more important objectives of these runs are recovery, and building and preparing the body for the tougher training ahead. This applies to both being able to handle the workouts and runs, and doing so with a minimum risk of injury. The energy system / aerobic foundation benefits come primarily from the longer runs, tempo runs, and threshold or near threshold level workouts.

As is often said, but too often disregarded, keep your easy days easy.

peekay wrote:

If people want to see how to apply the Ingebrigtsen training style to a regular person, a better idea is to look at what their brother Kristoffer is doing on Strava.

He seems to follow the same principles, but doesn’t do any of the speed stuff. My guess is the injury risk isn’t worth it for a hobbyjogger (in their eyes). People get hung up on the double workout days but his training shows how the main point of their training is to very gradually increase volume and speed of the training, but basically do the same thing week over week and let the body adapt. And they do sub-threshold because you can do it a lot and none of the workouts are truly that hard (ie you can always do another workout in 48 hours)

Quoted for truth.

25 400s. wtf is that actually a workout they do.

Reminds me of Sebastian Coe/Father training.... eerily similar

Colorado mountains wrote:

" Kristian from Norway" is a very ungrateful runner. JS coached him for free back in 2015 just two and a half months to improve all his personal bests and a marathon in 2.27 with a former 2.40 best.Then Kristian never communicated to the world of running it was the guru coach JS behind his remarkable improvement. Really a disgrace.

Good one! Made me laugh.

Excellent overview of the lactate controlled Norwegian approach by Marius bakken- gjert’s main resource for training Henrik in the beginning:

http://www.mariusbakken.com/the-norwegian-model.html

Great thread! Listened to the podcast in the OP and read the article.

I would be interested in how I could put this into my own training. Quite frankly I do not have time for double threshold workouts twice a week. Would this still yield positive results at say 70 miles a week including two threshold workouts (one easier, one harder - vary the length of reps), one harder hill rep session, and an easy long run of 12-13 miles. Similar to what I currently do except I do not do any hill reps.

mind-blown wrote:

25 400s. wtf is that actually a workout they do.

Yep and East Africans have their own version of it. They do a weekly 20-30 x 1 minute on 1 minute off Fartlek. It’s the same premise as the Norway bros workout. A great way to run faster than hour race pace but still get threshold benefits.