Most anticipated races in Jan: Hocker - Millrose, Katir - Karslruhe, NP - Sundown Track?

ijijij wrote:

NP: Jan 22 @ Sundown Track. Will they beat indoor HSR 8:39.1 two mile equivalent (3200m)?

Katir: Jan 28 @ Karlsruhe Meeting. Will he beat the ER of 7:32.4 (or even WR of 7:24.9)?

Hocker: Jan 29 @ Millrose. Will he beat the CR of 7:38.5? I know he’s not in College anymore, but he certainly is of College age. I doubt that he will come close to AR of 7:30.1. Sub 7:38 would be pretty amazing. It would be a top 10 US pere of all time.

All three races should be excellent.

I think if they are on it and run fast Newbury park has 2 guys that could beat that 2 mile time, with Leo at 8:42 and Aaron t 8:48, 3 more guys between 8:53-8:59

Is katir doping up in January though?

Is it just me or is Hocker's progression in the 1500 just as sus as Katir's?

What is the 3200m HS indoor record? I could not find it.

If they don’t get the 2 mile equivalent record, the 3200m record would be the consolation prize

ijijij wrote:

NP: Jan 22 @ Sundown Track. Will they beat indoor HSR 8:39.1 two mile equivalent (3200m)?

It all depends on the weather. Forecasts that far in advance aren't too reliable and keep changing, but there's a significant chance of rain and winds that day.

dullard wrote:

Is it just me or is Hocker's progression in the 1500 just as sus as Katir's?

Its more sus 💀

weatherman wrote:

ijijij wrote:

NP: Jan 22 @ Sundown Track. Will they beat indoor HSR 8:39.1 two mile equivalent (3200m)?

It all depends on the weather. Forecasts that far in advance aren't too reliable and keep changing, but there's a significant chance of rain and winds that day.

Ok, outdoor meet. Got it.

I guess we have to look at LV’s 2 mile HSR of 8:28.4 or GF’s AHSR of 8:34.4 (or whatever the 3200m equivalent is) instead

ijijij wrote:

weatherman wrote:

It all depends on the weather. Forecasts that far in advance aren't too reliable and keep changing, but there's a significant chance of rain and winds that day.

Ok, outdoor meet. Got it.

I guess we have to look at LV’s 2 mile HSR of 8:28.4 or GF’s AHSR of 8:34.4 (or whatever the 3200m equivalent is) instead

Consolation prize would be GF’s 8:34.2 HSR for 3200m

ijijij wrote:

weatherman wrote:

It all depends on the weather. Forecasts that far in advance aren't too reliable and keep changing, but there's a significant chance of rain and winds that day.

Ok, outdoor meet. Got it.

I guess we have to look at LV’s 2 mile HSR of 8:28.4 or GF’s AHSR of 8:34.4 (or whatever the 3200m equivalent is) instead

Yup, it's outdoors:

Forecast is now calling for strong winds but little (if any) rain that day. The winds were also a problem last year:

"Lauren Ping took to the track in her home state for the first time since June and battled strong winds in the girls 3,200 meters"

J Ingebritsen running the 1500m in Lievin is much more exciting than Katir in Karlsruhe to me.

Also can throw in NB Indoor. 3000m will have Elle Purrier St Pierre vs Gabriela DeBues Stafford. The two preeminent North American mid-d women of recent times (not named Houlihan). Will be the first time the pair have raced each other over 3000m. Their "rivalry" is brilliantly matched indoors and outdoors - 5-5 head to head, though GDS has won all head to heads at Diamond Leagues and global champs.

0-1 Purrier over 800

3-1 Stafford over 1500

2-3 Purrier over the mile

I wish it were a little more hyped, because it's a great rivalry.

NB games also has Lyles v Baker v Knight over 60m which is a pretty fun sprints head to head.

another perspective wrote:

J Ingebritsen running the 1500m in Lievin is much more exciting than Katir in Karlsruhe to me.

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Well, Jakob has not improved much in the past couple of years. He simply improved from 3:28.6 in 2020 to 3:28.3 in 2021

Katir, on the other hand, improved from 3:36.5 in 2020 to 3:28.7 in 2021. In addition, he improved his 10k from 28:58 in 2020 to 27:45 in 2021 (a couple of weeks ago). We can therefore still expect big improvement from Katir. Jakob? Not so much.

Same with Hocker, who went from 3:58.2 mile in 2020 to 3:50.5 in 2021…. He is progressing fast. Will he go sub 7:40? Sub 7:38? Sub 7:35?

NP kids. Well, a Soph who ran 8:43 (3200m) then went on to break the XC 3 mile record and also broke the 5000m XC record. However, a teammate of his went even faster at 5000m XC. Quite reasonable to anticipate big track progression from them

Yes, Jakob should do fine. Actually, if he does not go sub 3:31, it will be a disappointment. Can’t expect a huge progression from him however (his best is 3:31.8)

“if he doesn’t break the world record it’s a disappointment”

Yep. It sucks to be at the top…

another perspective wrote:

J Ingebritsen running the 1500m in Lievin is much more exciting than Katir in Karlsruhe to me.

Also can throw in NB Indoor. 3000m will have Elle Purrier St Pierre vs Gabriela DeBues Stafford. The two preeminent North American mid-d women of recent times (not named Houlihan). Will be the first time the pair have raced each other over 3000m. Their "rivalry" is brilliantly matched indoors and outdoors - 5-5 head to head, though GDS has won all head to heads at Diamond Leagues and global champs.

0-1 Purrier over 800

3-1 Stafford over 1500

2-3 Purrier over the mile

I wish it were a little more hyped, because it's a great rivalry.

NB games also has Lyles v Baker v Knight over 60m which is a pretty fun sprints head to head.

Really a big fan of Ronnie Baker. Hope to see him do well.

Boling jumped 8m25 today…

3cm from top 10 all time

*NCAA all time

ijijij wrote:

another perspective wrote:

J Ingebritsen running the 1500m in Lievin is much more exciting than Katir in Karlsruhe to me.

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Well, Jakob has not improved much in the past couple of years. He simply improved from 3:28.6 in 2020 to 3:28.3 in 2021

Yakob is pretty much done improving. He might barely break 3:28, but hes gotta be scratching the bottom of the barrel when it comes to his 1500 potential at this point. Dont expect major improvements from him in that particular discipline.

Before we get to the track races, we will see today if Katir improves on his 10k PB

A 6s improvement on his current PB would bring him to #2 European all time. I doubt that he gets Wanders’ ER (27:13). That seems out of reach.

ijijij wrote:

freekiprop wrote:

“if he doesn’t break the world record it’s a disappointment”

Yep. It sucks to be at the top…

Meh. I'm more interested in seeing where Ingebritsen is form wise coming into a new season than what Katir does. Katir has run insane times and looked like a running god multiple times last season but couldn't even win his own national champs vs a 13:20 guy, let alone have an impact in a race that matters in tokyo.

Until he shows up at a major champs I'm not going to get too excited about any times he runs.