Prime Mo Farah vs. Mo Katir vs Jakob Ingebrigtsen vs Noah Ngeny vs Daniel Komen

800: Ngeny, Katir, Komen, Ingebrigtsen, Farah

1500: Ngeny, Ingebrigtsen, Komen, Katir, Farah

3000: Komen, Farah, Ingebrigtsen, Katir, Ngeny

5000: Komen, Farah, Ingebrigtsen, Katir, Ngeny

10000: Farah, Komen, Katir, Ingebrigtsen, Ngeny

Most of you do not seem to appreciate Farah's ability to win races, or Ngeny's incredible middle distance talent. Komen on the sauce in '97 was also nearly unbeatable and ran some ridiculous races.

For the people who think faster PRs meant something to Mo Farah

For the people who think faster PRs meant something to Mo Farah

Time trials picks:

800: Ngeny, Jakob, Katir, Komen, Farah

-projected times: 1:43.4, 1:44.6, 1:45.7, 1:45.8, 1:45.9

1500: Ngeny, Jakob, Komen, Farah, Katir

projected times: 3:27.4, 3:27.8, 3:28.2, 3:28.4, 3:28.9

3000: Komen, Jakob, Farah, Katir, Ngeny

projected times: 7:20, 7:21.1, 7:23.2, 7:24.0, 7:32.0

5000: Komen, Farah, Jakob, Katir, Ngeny

projected times: 12:38.1, 12:40.1, 12:41.2, 12:46.4, 13:07

10000: Farah, Komen, Jakob, Katir , Ngeny

projected times: 26:38.1, 26:42.2, 26:44.5, 26:56.2, 27:15

my two pennies wrote:

https://www.letsrun.com/2012/paris-0706.php

For the people who think faster PRs meant something to Mo Farah

Mo Fraud's exploits in the G League of distance running are irrelevant. He doesnt stack up against any of these guys.

Did you guys forget Cheryiout (sp?) is better than Yakob and Katir has proven he can run fast for 3/4 of a season.

It’s incredible the things you fanboys come up with. McSweyn over Katir.

the real answer wrote:

Did you guys forget Cheryiout (sp?) is better than Yakob and Katir has proven he can run fast for 3/4 of a season.

It’s incredible the things you fanboys come up with. McSweyn over Katir.

The Yakob and MoFraud fans are insane.

OozmaKappa wrote:

the real answer wrote:

Did you guys forget Cheryiout (sp?) is better than Yakob and Katir has proven he can run fast for 3/4 of a season.

It’s incredible the things you fanboys come up with. McSweyn over Katir.

The Yakob and MoFraud fans are insane.

Jakob has very likely not hit his prime yet, but of his athletics career so far, his 'prime' was Tokyo, and he beat potato Tim who had run a pb a few weeks earlier.

He beat an injured guy and a chubby Scot. BFD.

OozmaKappa wrote:

my two pennies wrote:

https://www.letsrun.com/2012/paris-0706.php

For the people who think faster PRs meant something to Mo Farah

Mo Fraud's exploits in the G League of distance running are irrelevant. He doesnt stack up against any of these guys.

Proof you didn't read the link I sent. Mo Farah did not compete in the 2012 Paris Diamond League 5000. However, 6 men went under 12:50 in that race. In that article, they talk about how Farah and Rupp's Pre times look pretty terrible comparatively, and predict they might struggle in London. Less than a month later, Farah won double gold and Rupp took silver in the 10k.

my two pennies wrote:

OozmaKappa wrote:

Mo Fraud's exploits in the G League of distance running are irrelevant. He doesnt stack up against any of these guys.

Proof you didn't read the link I sent. Mo Farah did not compete in the 2012 Paris Diamond League 5000. However, 6 men went under 12:50 in that race. In that article, they talk about how Farah and Rupp's Pre times look pretty terrible comparatively, and predict they might struggle in London. Less than a month later, Farah won double gold and Rupp took silver in the 10k.

Hence, the G League of distance running. Mo Fraud beating people faster than him doesnt speak well of his abilities. On the contrary, it's not a feat. Rather, it is an anti-feat for the faster people who let Mo Fraud win. If a bunch of guys lose to a girl, that doesnt make the girl look impressive. That makes the guys look incompetent.

I can see an uninjured Cheryiout being faster than Jakob, but I put him here to make the discussion more interesting because (at least to my knowledge) Tim has no PRs listed for events other than the 1500, whereas Jakob does.

800m:

Ngeny, Ingebrigtsen, Farah, Komen/Katir

1500m:

Ngeny/Ingebrigtsen, Komen, Farah/Katir

3000m:

Komen, Ingebrigtsen, Farah, Katir, Ngeny

5000m:

Komen, Farah/Ingebrigtsen, Katir, Ngeny

10000m:

Komen, Farah, Ingebrigtsen, Katir, Ngeny

If it’s tactical, Ngeny wins the 8 and 15, Ingebrigtsen wins the 3k and 5k, and Farah wins the 10k.

The pronostic is quite difficult but everyone know that Ngeny is the World Record holder of the 1000m and holds the second fastest time in the mile. From the Spanish media:

The Night of San Antón is postponed due to the covid: the Katir-Kiplimo duel will have to wait

The duel between Mohamed Katir and Jacob Kiplimo will have to wait. The Noche de San Antón International Urban Race, one of the most traditional events on the Spanish scene -has been held since 1984-, has been postponed from January 15 to March 26 due to the pandemic.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Time trials picks:

800: Ngeny, Jakob, Katir, Komen, Farah

-projected times: 1:43.4, 1:44.6, 1:45.7, 1:45.8, 1:45.9

1500: Ngeny, Jakob, Komen, Farah, Katir

projected times: 3:27.4, 3:27.8, 3:28.2, 3:28.4, 3:28.9

3000: Komen, Jakob, Farah, Katir, Ngeny

projected times: 7:20, 7:21.1, 7:23.2, 7:24.0, 7:32.0

5000: Komen, Farah, Jakob, Katir, Ngeny

projected times: 12:38.1, 12:40.1, 12:41.2, 12:46.4, 13:07

10000: Farah, Komen, Jakob, Katir , Ngeny

projected times: 26:38.1, 26:42.2, 26:44.5, 26:56.2, 27:15

I like it. 3k’s seem a bit quick but this looks solid.

surveysays wrote:

"He beat an injured guy and a chubby Scot. BFD."

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The "injured" guy and the chubby Scot both beat the former Olympic record by seconds. They were just unlucky that a Norwegian youngster was even faster.

It is unfair to compare 20 years old Jakob and 23 years old Katir to Farah, Komen and Ngeny in their prime! It is as unfair as comparing 20 years old Hocker (and 17!? years old Jakob) to "2 time Olympian" Andrew Wheating.

And it gets even more unfair when many posters above speculate that Ngeny (3000m), Komen (10,000m) and especially Farah (3000m- 10,000m) could have run significantly faster than they actually did.

Helo! Farah raced numerous times on the 3000m, 5000m and 10,000m. It was his main distances for many, many years and he has never been close to the 3000m and 5000m times Jakob ran at 19 and 20 respectively.

Provided Katir can replicate or even better his 2021 season I will say:

800m:

Ngeny, Jakob, Katir, Farah, Komen

1500m:

Ngeny, Jakob, Katir, Farah, Komen

3000m:

Komen,Jakob, Katir, Farah, Ngeny

5000m:

Komen, Jakob, Katir, Farah, Ngeny

10,000m:

Jakob, Farah, Katir, Komen, Ngeny

objectiveobserver wrote:

It is unfair to compare 20 years old Jakob and 23 years old Katir to Farah, Komen and Ngeny in their prime! It is as unfair as comparing 20 years old Hocker (and 17!? years old Jakob) to "2 time Olympian" Andrew Wheating.

And it gets even more unfair when many posters above speculate that Ngeny (3000m), Komen (10,000m) and especially Farah (3000m- 10,000m) could have run significantly faster than they actually did.

Helo! Farah raced numerous times on the 3000m, 5000m and 10,000m. It was his main distances for many, many years and he has never been close to the 3000m and 5000m times Jakob ran at 19 and 20 respectively.

Provided Katir can replicate or even better his 2021 season I will say:

800m:

Ngeny, Jakob, Katir, Farah, Komen

1500m:

Ngeny, Jakob, Katir, Farah, Komen

3000m:

Komen,Jakob, Katir, Farah, Ngeny

5000m:

Komen, Jakob, Katir, Farah, Ngeny

10,000m:

Jakob, Farah, Katir, Komen, Ngeny

If the comparison is unfair to Ingebrigtsen and Katir because of their age, then it’s unfair to Komen and Ngeny as well. They were only 20-21 in their primes. Even if you don’t believe their official ages, neither had a long career so the complaint doesn’t make sense anyway.

I hate Mo Farah, but you’re lying to yourself if you don’t think he could have run much faster than he did. His 5k pr is from Monaco where he ran 12:53 closing in 54 to win. He was definitely good for 12:45 - 12:48 in a time trial. For 3k, there’s no way someone who could run 3:28 and 12:53 would be incapable of sub 7:30.

Your rankings for the 5k and 10k are absurd. Why is Katir, a guy with one good 5k result in his entire life (from a race where he got towed the entire way by people that are better than him) ahead of Farah? And you have Ingebrigtsen 1st in the 10k with Komen way back in 4th…absolutely no basis for that and yet you complain about people speculating.