Inflation soars to 7%!!!

george cos wrote:

Thanks for answering the question. Responding to your answer's above:

1) So where were you in 2017 when trillions were spent on making the wealthy, wealthier? You are okay with a military budget larger than the next twelve countries combined? I am not speaking for you, but that seems hollow.

2) Schools are not federally controlled. I thought states rights were a priority? Not local rights? For the record I personally am VERY much against closing schools. At-risk kids will never recover in my eyes.

3)That is an inaccurate talking point put out there by the right to try to stop free health care. Those choices would not go away, it would just have a small (in comparison) cost attached. The health care industry spends incredible lobbyist money to both parties to perpetuate this myth. States that expanded Obamacare prospered and those that didn't saw rates level and some even rise.

4)This is incredibly subjective and can be interpreted in any way that fits your personal thoughts. The Dems do have a philosophy, much like the GOP, evident to followers and non-existent to the other side.

There is no way for me to know if you believe what you wrote or just tried to come up with something. The latter appears more likely to me, but I have no business in making that determination. Thanks for answering the question.

george cos wrote:

Yawn^10 wrote:

Why does everything have to be about the GOP and trump. Can’t you just acknowledge Biden sucks?

But to answer your silly question, Trump lowered my taxes (and like I said before I am not close to the top 1%) and for the most part he left me alone.

He didn’t try and force a vaccine on me (he did authorize its creation), he didn’t let millions of unvetted and ungrateful immigrants from poop hole countries in, and he didn’t botch an Afghanistan pullout.

That’s off the top of my head. Meanwhile your hero Biden keeps spending money we don’t have (all presidents are guilty of this. Biden is just more wasteful with my tax dollars) all while putting fuel on racial fires.

I'm sure you are human and get worked up and what you present is not truely representative of you and your intelligence. But your ramblings are just not worth replying to. They really come across as though not a single thought has preceded them.

george cos wrote:

FaceIt wrote:

Interesting, I am the sole provider for my family and make less than your combined income and I saw a quite noticeable increase in take home pay after the tax cuts. Our company gave out raises each year of the trump presidency because the company was doing well along with the economy.

You keep making the mistake of framing this as a GOP and Democrat discussion, I don't care about either "party". I have a set of principles and values that I let guide my voting decision. Lately, I have noticed that things are shifting to the left at a much faster pace than I think is appropriate; therefore, I lean more conservative at this point in time. Most liberals will tell you that they want to get the nation to such a good place that they can become conservative, current elected officials on the left seem to be intent on leaving the more moderate voter behind. Green new deal, BBB, giving illegal immigrants free healthcare. All these things don't sit well with most moderates.

Sorry, I missed this reply and enjoy communicating with you.

You saw less federal tax being taken from your check? Paid less at tax time? I ask because I got soaked and know for a fact that taxes on the middle class were raised and continue to rise under the 2017 tax cut for the wealthy/corporations bill.

My GOP/Dem bias comes from ignorance spawned shouts on most any topic. The OP started this thread with no other intent than to imply the current president is solely responsible for inflation. No thought or facts, just read inflation was up 7% and ran with it. Almost any topic will draw such low mentality venom. If trump did nothing else, he made it okay to make lies without any facts acceptable and attack anyone/everyone who may disagree. He made it okay to openly be an a$$ to anyone who is not just like you.

I am socially liberal and get sick of no one challenging this thought process. I am mid-50s and have been independent most of my life and pride myself on disliking both parties and the process itself. That changed when people backed a horrible human being, normalizing such behavior. I presume I will shift back toward the middle once the element of treating others with disrespect loses it's steam.

I am not saying that some things are not quickly shifting left. What I am saying is I believe it is a very vocal minority on many topics, just like the trumpians I outlined above. These fringes now have an ear and are not afraid to bellow their rhetoric any chance they get. I do not think things are as supported (left or right fringe) as much as it seems. Media makes money in getting those fringe beliefs out there.

Just have to add: why do people question giving free healthcare to undocumented immigrants rather than questioning why we are the only country in the civilized world to not provide free healthcare for all?

FaceIt wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Your view is common for people who aren't strongly aligned with a certain party after a Presidential election. This is why mid-term elections often (as in almost all the time) go to the party that is not in the White House.

While I disagree with you that the current liberal policies are not "appropriate", again, your view from a moderate at this time after a Presidential election is common.

One thing that happens when a VERY radical administration is in place (and love him or hate him, Trump was radical) is that there is often a HUGE push back as a result. Much of the push back actually happened DURING Trump's presidency...more women and POC involved in politics than ever before, NASCAR not allowing the Confederate Battle Flag to be flown at their events, racist symbols and statues removed nationwide, sports teams names changed after decades of pressure. The final big push back is that Americans voted for Joe Biden with a record number of votes...yes, JOE BIDEN! America wasn't voting FOR Biden. We were voting AGAINST Trump, making Trump the biggest loser in American history...two-time loser of the popular vote, only one twice impeached.

Regarding free health care for undocumented immigrants, much of that is one of a few things: BS noise, common practice that Emergency Rooms can't refuse service (something that has been the case pretty much forever), something that some STATES provide, not a federal policy.

One of the line items regarding the Affordable Care Act is this:

"Undocumented immigrants cannot buy plans in the exchange, but some states provide coverage for some undocumented immigrant children and pregnant women.

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for ACA coverage?

No. Although the ACA provides benefits to U.S. citizens and lawfully present immigrants alike, it does not directly provide any benefits for undocumented immigrants.

The ACA specifically prevents non-lawfully present immigrants from enrolling in coverage through the exchanges (section 1312(f)(3)). And they are also not eligible for Medicaid under federal guidelines. So the two major cornerstones of coverage expansion under the ACA are not available to undocumented immigrants."

It's not BS noise when during a democratic primary the moderator asks for a show of hands on who would support giving illegal immigrants free healthcare and all candidates on stage raise their hand. That sends a clear signal that the left is shifting even farther left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-QP5TBTVhY

It's also why you see a shift with hispanic voters moving more towards the conservative mindset. They hear the liberals promising things to illegals which makes the legal immigrants wonder why they went through all the trouble to migrate here legally. They also see the left moving more towards the authoritarian governments they fled from in their home countries...things like vaccine mandates do not sit well with hispanic voters. I live in an area with a large hispanic population and most have shifted in their political affiliation in the past 4-5 years.

Perhaps I should have said "proposed" liberal policies instead of "current" liberal policies. I'd say proposed liberal policies are inappropriate and my view is supported by moderate democrats who refuse to vote for these policies and bills.

FWIW, Biden ran on a more moderate and centrist campaign, but has proven he is more in alignment with the farther from center liberals than he let the voters know. Or he's just so far out to lunch that his cabinet is just giving him a list of options and he chooses one that sounds good, most of which are all farther left than he may have initially planned for....who knows.

Precious Roy wrote:

Yawn^10 wrote:

What a boring life you must have to just default to Trump as the reason for everything.

Trump didn’t flood the market with money and cripple the supply chain with mandates.

If you have a specific policy of Trumps that you think lead to the inflation we would love to hear it.

Trump's tax plan caused many publicly traded companies to buy back their stock in order to boost share prices. This, in turn, caused people's investment portfolios to grow at a rapid rate. That created demand for housing, both primary residences and vacation/invest

ment properties. Trump did nothing to actually follow through on promises to return jobs to middle American. So, all the major employment centers remained mostly in about two dozen large metro areas. Supply of new homes has been dwindling in these markets because these cities have sprawled out to their limits and gentrification of close in communities is almost exclusively high end development. Combine that with a complete lack of investment in public housing, and you get big time inflation in the housing market. In all fairness, Biden hasn't lifted a finger on public housing investments, repealing Trump tax breaks or trying to bring jobs back to small and mid sized cities that have never recovered from de-industrialization.

On the other hand, the remainder of consumer inflation is driven primarily by corporate monopolies and monopsony on the distributor level (meat packing industry, international container shipping, etc.). The lack of price competition has allowed corporations to use COVID supply chain issues as a pretext to raise prices well beyond what is necessary to recover increased costs related to oil prices and transportation prices (by the way, transportation costs are a good example of what happens without meaningful price competition. The cost to move a container of goods has risen from about $2k to $20K+. That additional $18k is almost all pure profit as increased energy costs and wages have had a minimal effect on pricing.). Trump had four years to do something on anti-trust and did nothing except complain about social media companies.

Finally, the current consumer inflation outside of housing is temporary. Just like during the Carter administration, inflation is caused by a temporary crisis. In Carter's days, it was the oil embargo. When OPEC lifted the oil embargo, inflation went away very quickly. US energy production will rebound in 2022 and supply chain disruptions will ease once we get out of winter.

https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/corporate-profits-drive-60-of-inflation

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Yawn^10 wrote:

What a boring life you must have to just default to Trump as the reason for everything.

Trump didn’t flood the market with money and cripple the supply chain with mandates.

If you have a specific policy of Trumps that you think lead to the inflation we would love to hear it.

Did you live under a rock for four years?

Trump spent trillions of dollars during covid in handing out checks.

Trump's tax cuts also led to higher inflation, but the Fed helped a little by raising rates.

In one year, Biden hasn't passed a single piece of discretionary legislature. It was all shot down.

How in the world does Biden spend $0 additional dollars above the budget (which for those that don't know, Biden is still working off the budget Trump signed in 2020) and Trump hands out trillions in stimulus checks and Biden is responsible for all the inflation?

So in other words, Biden did nothing and is getting blamed for it.

The supply chain has to do with the global economy went from locked down, to opened back up. Thanks to Biden by the way. Biden said no more Trump lockdowns. And now you're all mad about it.

You people really are the dumbest to inhabit the Earth.

I'm serious when I say I'll give every conservative $1,000 if they can pass a 6th grade math test. When I say pass, I mean 70%. Email me the pictures of your test scores. Thanks.

FaceIt wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Your view is common for people who aren't strongly aligned with a certain party after a Presidential election. This is why mid-term elections often (as in almost all the time) go to the party that is not in the White House.

While I disagree with you that the current liberal policies are not "appropriate", again, your view from a moderate at this time after a Presidential election is common.

One thing that happens when a VERY radical administration is in place (and love him or hate him, Trump was radical) is that there is often a HUGE push back as a result. Much of the push back actually happened DURING Trump's presidency...more women and POC involved in politics than ever before, NASCAR not allowing the Confederate Battle Flag to be flown at their events, racist symbols and statues removed nationwide, sports teams names changed after decades of pressure. The final big push back is that Americans voted for Joe Biden with a record number of votes...yes, JOE BIDEN! America wasn't voting FOR Biden. We were voting AGAINST Trump, making Trump the biggest loser in American history...two-time loser of the popular vote, only one twice impeached.

Regarding free health care for undocumented immigrants, much of that is one of a few things: BS noise, common practice that Emergency Rooms can't refuse service (something that has been the case pretty much forever), something that some STATES provide, not a federal policy.

One of the line items regarding the Affordable Care Act is this:

"Undocumented immigrants cannot buy plans in the exchange, but some states provide coverage for some undocumented immigrant children and pregnant women.

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for ACA coverage?

No. Although the ACA provides benefits to U.S. citizens and lawfully present immigrants alike, it does not directly provide any benefits for undocumented immigrants.

The ACA specifically prevents non-lawfully present immigrants from enrolling in coverage through the exchanges (section 1312(f)(3)). And they are also not eligible for Medicaid under federal guidelines. So the two major cornerstones of coverage expansion under the ACA are not available to undocumented immigrants."

It's not BS noise when during a democratic primary the moderator asks for a show of hands on who would support giving illegal immigrants free healthcare and all candidates on stage raise their hand. That sends a clear signal that the left is shifting even farther left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-QP5TBTVhY

It's also why you see a shift with hispanic voters moving more towards the conservative mindset. They hear the liberals promising things to illegals which makes the legal immigrants wonder why they went through all the trouble to migrate here legally. They also see the left moving more towards the authoritarian governments they fled from in their home countries...things like vaccine mandates do not sit well with hispanic voters. I live in an area with a large hispanic population and most have shifted in their political affiliation in the past 4-5 years.

Perhaps I should have said "proposed" liberal policies instead of "current" liberal policies. I'd say proposed liberal policies are inappropriate and my view is supported by moderate democrats who refuse to vote for these policies and bills.

FWIW, Biden ran on a more moderate and centrist campaign, but has proven he is more in alignment with the farther from center liberals than he let the voters know. Or he's just so far out to lunch that his cabinet is just giving him a list of options and he chooses one that sounds good, most of which are all farther left than he may have initially planned for....who knows.

347893 wrote:

FaceIt wrote:

It's not BS noise when during a democratic primary the moderator asks for a show of hands on who would support giving illegal immigrants free healthcare and all candidates on stage raise their hand. That sends a clear signal that the left is shifting even farther left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-QP5TBTVhY

It's also why you see a shift with hispanic voters moving more towards the conservative mindset. They hear the liberals promising things to illegals which makes the legal immigrants wonder why they went through all the trouble to migrate here legally. They also see the left moving more towards the authoritarian governments they fled from in their home countries...things like vaccine mandates do not sit well with hispanic voters. I live in an area with a large hispanic population and most have shifted in their political affiliation in the past 4-5 years.

Perhaps I should have said "proposed" liberal policies instead of "current" liberal policies. I'd say proposed liberal policies are inappropriate and my view is supported by moderate democrats who refuse to vote for these policies and bills.

FWIW, Biden ran on a more moderate and centrist campaign, but has proven he is more in alignment with the farther from center liberals than he let the voters know. Or he's just so far out to lunch that his cabinet is just giving him a list of options and he chooses one that sounds good, most of which are all farther left than he may have initially planned for....who knows.

Newsflash.....the original illegal immigrants came here, murdered and enslaved. To this very day their decedents continue to discriminate.

FaceIt wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Your view is common for people who aren't strongly aligned with a certain party after a Presidential election. This is why mid-term elections often (as in almost all the time) go to the party that is not in the White House.

While I disagree with you that the current liberal policies are not "appropriate", again, your view from a moderate at this time after a Presidential election is common.

One thing that happens when a VERY radical administration is in place (and love him or hate him, Trump was radical) is that there is often a HUGE push back as a result. Much of the push back actually happened DURING Trump's presidency...more women and POC involved in politics than ever before, NASCAR not allowing the Confederate Battle Flag to be flown at their events, racist symbols and statues removed nationwide, sports teams names changed after decades of pressure. The final big push back is that Americans voted for Joe Biden with a record number of votes...yes, JOE BIDEN! America wasn't voting FOR Biden. We were voting AGAINST Trump, making Trump the biggest loser in American history...two-time loser of the popular vote, only one twice impeached.

Regarding free health care for undocumented immigrants, much of that is one of a few things: BS noise, common practice that Emergency Rooms can't refuse service (something that has been the case pretty much forever), something that some STATES provide, not a federal policy.

One of the line items regarding the Affordable Care Act is this:

"Undocumented immigrants cannot buy plans in the exchange, but some states provide coverage for some undocumented immigrant children and pregnant women.

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for ACA coverage?

No. Although the ACA provides benefits to U.S. citizens and lawfully present immigrants alike, it does not directly provide any benefits for undocumented immigrants.

The ACA specifically prevents non-lawfully present immigrants from enrolling in coverage through the exchanges (section 1312(f)(3)). And they are also not eligible for Medicaid under federal guidelines. So the two major cornerstones of coverage expansion under the ACA are not available to undocumented immigrants."

It's not BS noise when during a democratic primary the moderator asks for a show of hands on who would support giving illegal immigrants free healthcare and all candidates on stage raise their hand. That sends a clear signal that the left is shifting even farther left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-QP5TBTVhY

It's also why you see a shift with hispanic voters moving more towards the conservative mindset. They hear the liberals promising things to illegals which makes the legal immigrants wonder why they went through all the trouble to migrate here legally. They also see the left moving more towards the authoritarian governments they fled from in their home countries...things like vaccine mandates do not sit well with hispanic voters. I live in an area with a large hispanic population and most have shifted in their political affiliation in the past 4-5 years.

Perhaps I should have said "proposed" liberal policies instead of "current" liberal policies. I'd say proposed liberal policies are inappropriate and my view is supported by moderate democrats who refuse to vote for these policies and bills.

FWIW, Biden ran on a more moderate and centrist campaign, but has proven he is more in alignment with the farther from center liberals than he let the voters know. Or he's just so far out to lunch that his cabinet is just giving him a list of options and he chooses one that sounds good, most of which are all farther left than he may have initially planned for....who knows.