Docs and scientists of letsrun, please read this article and tell me if what he is writing about Covid-19 treatment is fake news

rojo wrote:

414227 wrote:

Harambe, regarding opposing viewpoints being shutdown... 1) Do you remember when it was proposed that the virus may have originated from a lab leak? When this was first suggested, anyone who dared say that this is a mere possibility were completely dismissed as quacks / loony tunes! (lol). 2) You say that you have always thought natural infection offered protection, but did you know that for a time that basic longstanding principle was essentially not allowed to be stated in the media or on social networks? 3). Are you refuting that many healthcare professionals have been "banned" or purged from their social media accounts for saying contrarian things? I bet you do know this, and it has all only fostered more distrust. So, yeah, I am going to eyeroll back at you (lol).

Nailed it.

Wow, it is stunning how ill informed you have been and remain. The post which you claimed "nailed it" was absolutely, completely and 100% INCORRECT.

"1) Do you remember when it was proposed that the virus may have originated from a lab leak? When this was first suggested, anyone who dared say that this is a mere possibility were completely dismissed as quacks / loony tunes!"

Yes, I remember when it was proposed that the virus may have originated from a lab. And that idea was absolutely NOT dismissed as loony, etc. by most people, the majority of scientists looking at this or the mainstream media. Instead, it was received with, "Well, that is one of many possibilities. It should be considered along with the others and nobody should jump to any such conclusion."

So, you and the "nailed it" post are INCORRECT!

" 2) You say that you have always thought natural infection offered protection, but did you know that for a time that basic longstanding principle was essentially not allowed to be stated in the media or on social networks?"

INCORRECT! That basic, longstanding principle was stated everywhere. What was rejected as unwise and inhumane was the notion that we should just let the disease run its course, after which "herd" immunity" would offer some level of protection for those who were not dead.

In all seriousness, you might want to get some professional help. I understand that there are ways of helping adults understand the English language so that they can actually grasp what is being said and what is not.

Real Obvi wrote:

rojo wrote:

[quote]414227 wrote:

Harambe, regarding opposing viewpoints being shutdown... 1) Do you remember when it was proposed that the virus may have originated from a lab leak? When this was first suggested, anyone who dared say that this is a mere possibility were completely dismissed as quacks / loony tunes! (lol). 2) You say that you have always thought natural infection offered protection, but did you know that for a time that basic longstanding principle was essentially not allowed to be stated in the media or on social networks? 3). Are you refuting that many healthcare professionals have been "banned" or purged from their social media accounts for saying contrarian things? I bet you do know this, and it has all only fostered more distrust. So, yeah, I am going to eyeroll back at you (lol).

Nailed it.

Wow, it is stunning how ill informed you have been and remain. The post which you claimed "nailed it" was absolutely, completely and 100% INCORRECT.

"1) Do you remember when it was proposed that the virus may have originated from a lab leak? When this was first suggested, anyone who dared say that this is a mere possibility were completely dismissed as quacks / loony tunes!"

Yes, I remember when it was proposed that the virus may have originated from a lab. And that idea was absolutely NOT dismissed as loony, etc. by most people, the majority of scientists looking at this or the mainstream media. Instead, it was received with, "Well, that is one of many possibilities. It should be considered along with the others and nobody should jump to any such conclusion."

So, you and the "nailed it" post are INCORRECT!

" 2) You say that you have always thought natural infection offered protection, but did you know that for a time that basic longstanding principle was essentially not allowed to be stated in the media or on social networks?"

INCORRECT! That basic, longstanding principle was stated everywhere. What was rejected as unwise and inhumane was the notion that we should just let the disease run its course, after which "herd" immunity" would offer some level of protection for those who were not dead.

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CORRECT!

Rojo, I responded to all those points already. I don't really the above quote is fair to how the discourse has been. Sure if you watch ONLY MSNBC or something then maybe you got what was reported above. But nobody should do that.

As God is my witness, I've never had the shot or booster, not once. I take a few key vitamins that my Doctor told me and he was right. I've been around numerous people who've had the shot in the Spring and then got the virus and I was around them a lot. Liberals like to play politics and claim "you must be a Conservative" when in fact they know zero about someone's political views, we are all ghosts on this site who come and go and come and go.

I'm Switzerland and for what's right and wrong. I am NOT putting that fluid into my body and I've never been sick. I had recently had blood work done and I've never had the virus, ever. Old people dying are people with Health issues that would have a hard time fighting the flu.

Believe what you want, but I know dozens of people at work who have not had a single shot and I know dozens who've had whatever the CDC recommends at the time. Variants are going to go on and on and on and Big Pharma will make Billions more. It's not Right Wing or Left Wing, it's reality.

Or, you are just wrong Mr. Harambe, except it and move on. You name is all over these virus threads. It seems like you're trying to justify your own actions, perhaps due to guilt or regret. Regardless, get a life dude. You took the shot, go live life and stop trying to convince people of your own personal opinion. You protest too much, way too much.

Reality is what it is People wrote:

Believe what you want.

Ok, I believe you an ignorant blowhard adding nothing to this thread but an n=1 anecdote that you're likely exaggerating.

Reality is what it is People wrote:

Or, you are just wrong Mr. Harambe, except it and move on. You name is all over these virus threads. It seems like you're trying to justify your own actions, perhaps due to guilt or regret. Regardless, get a life dude. You took the shot, go live life and stop trying to convince people of your own personal opinion. You protest too much, way too much.

The Swiss, sadly, have always had a particularly hard time deciding between right and wrong. I see you are no acception.

Here are just some of the lies we have been told

1) You should use the subway and go to china town.

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/079-20/mayor-de-blasio-speaker-johnson-queens-chamber-commerce-encourage-new-yorkers-visit/#/0

2) Don't wear a mask.

3) We need you to stay home for two weeks to flatten the curve (i remember thinking, what happens after that, why won't it just come back?)

4) You are a fool if you say the virus may have come from a Chinese lab. In fact, if you do say that, you are potentially hurting people by doing it. "The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumors and misinformation around its origins," the scientists, from nine countries, wrote in a statement published online by The Lancet. Meanwhile, the only people not sharing data and still aren't are the Chinese and the guy who created this whole statement - Peter Daszak - has ties to the Wuhan lab. Not only that, the WHO put hi on the team to look into the origins of the virus. And did I say he forgot to mention his ties to the lab?

While this was happeneing, it was clear to me that the whole argument was disingenuous. Daszak and the NY times was always talking about it being created in a lab with language like -  “with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified.”when others  were saying we don't care where it originated but it may have escaped from a lab. 

The Times even said it was Debunked. The reality is we don't know where the virus came from but do know Wuhan is VERY far away from where the bats live.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/science/redfield-coronavirus-wuhan-lab.html

https://www.science.org/content/article/scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

5) It doesn't matter which vaccine you get - just go get jabbed. Do it now - go get the Johnson and Johnson as herd immunity can come at 70%.

6) We don't care if you're 22 and already have had Covid are a champion runner, you must be triple vaxxed to go to college.

Cole Hocker, don't be selfish.

Instead, we should have just done something close to the Barrington Declaration and been done with it once the vaccines came out.

Instead, flagpole and real obvi say no one ever said the lab-leak was crazy. Yes they did. The NY Times and Peter Daszak led the way, calling it Debunked.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/science/redfield-coronavirus-wuhan-lab.html

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/new-york-times-quashed-covid-origins-inquiry/

https://youtu.be/CtOjn2g8Xkk?t=269

https://www.science.org/content/article/scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

I mean check this shit out by Dasak "Ignore the conspiracy theories: scientists know Covid-19 wasn't created in a lab."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/conspiracies-covid-19-lab-false-pandemic

I always thought it was weird he said "Created in a lab." It easily could have a) been found in nature and then escaped from the lab or b) been found in nature and then enhanced in the lab. Technically neither was created, just escaped or modified.

Flagpole wrote:

4) Did you get your kid (or kids...I don't know how many you have) the MMR vaccine or any other shots they needed? If so, why is that so different in your mind (I know you said you are triple vaxxed, but yet you show fear about it)? Vaccines are amazing things, but how they work is not a mystery...even the newer mRNA vaccines are not mysterious. Issues with vaccines typically come about within 6 months, and we simply are not seeing BIG problems there. Yes, there have been some clotting issues (VERY MINOR) and some myocarditis in some young people (again, VERY minor), but the effects of getting the virus are MUCH worse (including myocarditis as a greater percentage).

My son is too young to be vaxxed. Until a few weeks ago, I was hoping to get him vaxxed on day 1 so we could be done with Covid-19 and start traveling and going to restaurants.

To be honest, if I was a single parent, I'd be tempted now not to vax him now and almost be happy if he got Omicron like parents used to be about Chicken pox. Back in the day, you wanted to get chickenpox as a kid as it wasn't bad but if you got it as an adult it was very dangerous.

I do know one thing I think you are wrong when you said you know people are "fools" if they don't vaccinate their kids. I don't think that type of language is warranted. Would you say the same thing about parents who don't boost their kids?

What do you make of this?

For those of you too lazy to read the link, here it is.

Paul Offit, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told me that getting boosted would not be worth the risk for the average healthy 17-year-old boy. Offit advised his own son, who is in his 20s, not to get a third dose. Even with Omicron’s ability to sidestep some of the protection vaccines provide, Offit said, he believes that his son is well protected against serious illness with two shots, so a third just isn’t necessary.

Yet colleges are now requiring it?

rojo wrote:

. . .

Instead, flagpole and real obvi say no one ever said the lab-leak was crazy. Yes they did. The NY Times and Peter Daszak led the way, calling it Debunked.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/science/redfield-coronavirus-wuhan-lab.htmlhttps://spectatorworld.com/topic/new-york-times-quashed-covid-origins-inquiry/https://youtu.be/CtOjn2g8Xkk?t=269https://www.science.org/content/article/scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

Once again, proving my point. You really do not understand the English language, do you?

Here is precisely what I posted:

"1) Do you remember when it was proposed that the virus may have originated from a lab leak? When this was first suggested, anyone who dared say that this is a mere possibility were completely dismissed as quacks / loony tunes!"

Yes, I remember when it was proposed that the virus may have originated from a lab. And that idea was absolutely NOT dismissed as loony, etc. by most people, the majority of scientists looking at this or the mainstream media. Instead, it was received with, "Well, that is one of many possibilities. It should be considered along with the others and nobody should jump to any such conclusion."

So, Rojo, you are unable to understand the difference between "most people" did not say . . . , "the majority of scientists" did not say . . . AND "no one ever said . . . " ?

Seriously?

It is ok. We love you anyway. You can just come back and say, "I, rojo, am one of the stupidest human beings who have ever lived and I simply don't understand anything. I mean anything at all. But please love me anyway."

Rojo,

I do NOT revel in telling other people that they are wrong, but your attitude about these vaccines is just flat wrong. As others have already told you, you have a view on this, and you look for a minority view that aligns with yours. The overwhelming majority of experts on this virus recommend getting vaccinated as much as you are eligible for, so boosters for most people.

Chicken Pox CAN cause serious issues, so getting a vaccine for it is advisable...so say MOST doctors and the CDC. Yes, you can find a doctor who will tell you not to, but that opinion is the minority. You can shop around for a doctor who will give you a ton of opioids too. There are bad eggs everywhere.

Apparently you are skeptical of the CDC, but here is what they say about the chicken pox vaccine:

"Why should my child get the chickenpox shot?

* Protects your child from chickenpox (varicella), a potentially serious and even deadly disease.

* Keeps your child from missing up to one week of school or childcare (and keeps you from missing work to care for your sick child)."

Yes, people who are not getting vaccinated against this virus are fools. Yes, people who do not get their eligible children boosted against this virus are fools. Absolutely...FOOLS.

You have a large lack of knowledge on this subject, and your wanted actions are based just on what you WISH things were like. I assume that since you mentioned you would make a different decision if you were single that that means your wife is on board with getting your kid vaccinated. Good thing for your kid. Your wife is right. You are wrong.

Little kids DO die of chicken pox. Would you be able to handle that if you didn't get your kid a safe and effective vaccine and then he died? Also, if you didn't get your kid vaccinated for chicken pox, would you recommend to them that they do it when they are older, or would you simply forget or feel it wasn't important? In addition to age and obesity, they have now discovered a genetic component that makes a person more susceptible to succumbing to COVID. Would you be able to handle it if your kid was one of those who would have been saved by the vaccine? What about if your kid lived but had permanent damage to organs or lungs? Or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome? There are NO guarantees in life, but it is crystal clear that there are FAR more risks associated with NOT getting the vaccine than getting the vaccine. You have to play the odds. If your kid had a bad reaction to the vaccine (usually that is due to inert ingredients), that would suck, but at least you could with full confidence say that you took the least-risky path.

I will try my best to not respond to any more of your nonsense on this subject. If you say something that is beyond just stupid and goes into dangerous advice, I may comment, but I get no joy discussing a topic with someone when they know jack sh!t about what it is they are saying.

I look forward to you posting about a subject you know anything about.

.....and Rojo outs himself as many of the anti-vax, covid denier handles we've seen on the board.

Nice of you to come clean to something long suspected.

Honest question: Is he misunderstanding it or is he intentionally slanting his representation of the circumstances to fit a pre-determined narrative? Or perhaps a third explanation: trolling the libs.?

I’m a little depressed that Kipchoge is not running Boston. I’d like to know why Cole Hocker chose the 3K instead of the 1500 at Millrose? Hearing about this sort of stuff is the reason I log on to LRC. I swore I was going to avoid any threads about transgender athletes, Jan 6th, Matt Gaetz or Covid, but here I am posting one last time on this thread.

I’d like to close by offering an olive branch to all. Let’s stop looking backwards and look to the future. For many in the USA the Covid end game is almost here. Omicron will peak and recede by the end of this month or early next. By that time most people in your community will have either been infected or vaccinated or both. We also will have on the pharmacy shelves a highly effective anti viral (paxlovid) and ample tests, so if you think you might still have Covid, you can get tested and hop on this medicine right away further reducing the risk for a bad outcome especially if your high risk. With these new conditions I think it’s going to be time to be officially over Covid. What does this mean? No more mandates or lock downs or closures or quarantine or even isolation if you are infected and don’t have symptoms. Probably a good idea to mask if you are going to be in very crowded places with a lot of strangers, especially if we stop the isolation. You can avoid a lot of other nasty stuff that way too. If you are sick, stay home, or if you go out, wear a mask. That’s the neighborly thing to do. That’s it. Maybe life will not be exactly like 2019, but close. Caveats? Could another terrible variant emerge? I guess so, but the evolutionary pressure on the virus is to be less transmissible and less lethal over time. What about the really young kids? They will be ok….

Ok, everybody happy?

Closing points with some looking back.

1. Covid sucks. Lots of people suffered and died because of Covid (not only with Covid, but because of Covid) and lots of people suffered because of our efforts to reduce viral transmission. Did we save lives with all the lockdown stuff at an acceptable cost? I think so, but let’s not debate it again, we are now into the end game.

2. I will acknowledge many of the public health measures failed or were harmful. In retrospect schools should not have closed. In retrospect….

3. Vaccines work. Across every age group there is no excess hospitalization or death from any cause because of the vaccine, there is however a marked decrease in all causes of hospitalization and all causes of death with vaccination. The vaccine protects you compared to not being vaccinated. This protection extends to those with past infections (natural immunity) too, though to a lesser degree. If you are not yet infected, get vaccinated and boosted. The magnitude of the benefits only increased numerically with boosting. If you do have natural immunity, I’d still highly recommend the vaccines.

4. Basically all the other therapies touted to treat the virus do not work, though we are much better in a general way of caring for the very ill with Covid. The exceptions are limited to the new anti virals and some of the mAbs + remdesivir.

5. The public health officials local and national are a selfless and noble bunch. They messed up some decisions and messaging, but the idea that the told lies for malicious purposes is false. I include Fauci in this assessment. (Ok I’m starting to look backwards too much)

6. Last point: Rojo, you do know about shingles right? Avoiding chicken pox when your young is a very good thing. Get your children vaccinated. If you had chicken pox, get the shingles vaccine. It sucks, but not as much as the shingles.

Ok see everybody on the running threads.

Excuse me, the mile at Millrose for Hocker. It’s late. Don’t jump down my throat!

Just checking to see if rojo got educated yet

Carry on

fada tyme wrote:

.....and Rojo outs himself as many of the anti-vax, covid denier handles we've seen on the board.

Nice of you to come clean to something long suspected.

What's this meme that anti-vaxx is a bad thing?

And we're supposed to just go along with that sans question.

Amazing

carmine9 wrote:

fada tyme wrote:

.....and Rojo outs himself as many of the anti-vax, covid denier handles we've seen on the board.

Nice of you to come clean to something long suspected.

What's this meme that anti-vaxx is a bad thing?

And we're supposed to just go along with that sans question.

Amazing

You are a moron.