"Disinterested in whether current models are right" is not the same as "jump onto every piece of flimsy correlative evidence that might disprove a current model." You have to judiciously credulous -- the disability data, like excess death data, is simply far too weak to considering discarding current models. The fact that you are wasting so much energy on it tells me that you are not the least bit 'disinterested' in this vaccine-injury hypothesis.
I, on the other hand, remain nearly perfectly rational atop my throne.
I'm assuming this is tongue and cheek. I'm struggling to believe you don't have any remote interest in proving one side of the argument over the other. I think we're wasting a lot of time because of argument tactics that distract from the point that seems pretty clear-- that we've got a signal worth investigating. Your hyperbole is another tactic-- it's not a choice between being hardheaded and unduly credulous, so I don't see an unwillingness to update a model as the only alternative to "jumping onto every piece of flimsy evidence." There's more than enough here to have a curiosity in investigating the questions fisky posed.
And if all you take from my arguments is that this is further proof of the COVID hypothesis, then we aren't really debating. It's easy to just say, "nope," and claim victory. Anyway, carry on.
I have tons of interest in testing the safety and efficacy of vaccines. The data on disabilities is just one of many pieces of data to consider. The claim can rationally be used to support both arguments: 1) COVID has disabled a lot of people because it's a serious disease that has infected hundreds of millions in the USA and 2) the vaccine is secretly toxic and nobody knows because (conspiracy, incompetence, Clintons, etc).
We have to evaluate both arguments in the context of all the data for/against them. This new data is merely incremental for both arguments, but sure, I'll update my extreme Rationalist Priors for you now:
COVID is bad and is injuring lots of people seriously: 9.9/10 -> 9.95/10
The vaccines are secretly quite toxic and are injuring millions 0.005/10-> 0.01/10
I'm not dismissing any theory off-hand, I'm merely Ultra-rationally updating my priors and then dedicating my very valuable gorilla mental energy and time proportionally.
This is not fear porn, this is the reality my brother's family has had to live with the past ten years. My niece suffered a vaccine injury as an infant that left her unable to talk, walk, eat, etc. She has had seizures ever since immediately after her 6-month vaccinations. My sister-in-law quit her job as a nurse to provide her with full time care. They , spent years in Vaccine Court and were eventually awarded a decision. The past few months she has been living off of a feeding tube and has been in hospice care. I'm sorry if it offends you to hear about the collateral damage vaccinations can cause.
So it’s not even a COVID vaccine? boy you are grasping at straws.
We arent your trauma therapists.
You want COVID vaccine injury information, you will need to wait. My niece's case went through VICP, which is a slow, one-sided process performed in the dark (took a number of years and they had to start from scratch, as there is no historical case data to draw upon as all Vaccine Court cases are sealed).
COVID vaccines go through CICP. The CICP has 5,764 vaccine injury claims pending before it. It so far has only addressed 32 of those claims (0.55%), dismissing 31 and awarding 1 (which has not yet been compensated). At the rate they are addressing these, it will be 180 years before they resolve the claims (basically the government makes the process so onerous that people either run out of money on legal fees or die before their cases see the light of a courtroom). The perception that vaccines are super safe is obscured by the fact that most injuries are never brought to light.
I have tons of interest in testing the safety and efficacy of vaccines. The data on disabilities is just one of many pieces of data to consider. The claim can rationally be used to support both arguments: 1) COVID has disabled a lot of people because it's a serious disease that has infected hundreds of millions in the USA and 2) the vaccine is secretly toxic and nobody knows because (conspiracy, incompetence,
Let's accept premise 1 (the rise in disability was caused by covid) and then evaluate it by making the following assumptions. Bear with me. Often you can get a new perspective by looking at something from the opposing point of point.
Assume the following.
1. Covid caused the rise in disability claims.
2. The CDC wants more people to get vaccinated and/or boosted ASAP.
3. The CDC is a competent, professional organization that STRONGLY supports #2 above... getting more people vaccinated.
Now, follow this.
IF the CDC is competent, IF the CDC wants more people to get vaccinated/boosted, and IF Covid is causing the rise in disability claims.... then....
Why isn't the CDC widely, loudly, and daily telling Americans that they MUST get vaccinated because covid is causing millions of disabilities?
Proof of massive covid disabilities would motivate a LOT of people to get boosted or vaccinated.
So why hasn't the CDC done that?
Hint: The CDC hasn't done it because the data doesn't support the "disability from covid" premise.
Thailand to Lower Covid-19 to Same Disease Category as Influenza
By Patpicha Tanakasempipat August 8, 2022 at 7:04 AM EDT
Thailand will downgrade Covid-19 from a “dangerous” communicable disease to one that “needs monitoring” starting from October, as the country’s virus situation has started to stabilize, according to the Ministry of Public Health.
The move, which will remove Covid-19 from the same category as plague and smallpox to the same level as influenza and dengue, is to reflect the reality of the situation in Thailand, said Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul.
I have tons of interest in testing the safety and efficacy of vaccines. The data on disabilities is just one of many pieces of data to consider. The claim can rationally be used to support both arguments: 1) COVID has disabled a lot of people because it's a serious disease that has infected hundreds of millions in the USA and 2) the vaccine is secretly toxic and nobody knows because (conspiracy, incompetence,
Let's accept premise 1 (the rise in disability was caused by covid) and then evaluate it by making the following assumptions. Bear with me. Often you can get a new perspective by looking at something from the opposing point of point.
Assume the following.
1. Covid caused the rise in disability claims.
2. The CDC wants more people to get vaccinated and/or boosted ASAP.
3. The CDC is a competent, professional organization that STRONGLY supports #2 above... getting more people vaccinated.
Now, follow this.
IF the CDC is competent, IF the CDC wants more people to get vaccinated/boosted, and IF Covid is causing the rise in disability claims.... then....
Why isn't the CDC widely, loudly, and daily telling Americans that they MUST get vaccinated because covid is causing millions of disabilities?
Proof of massive covid disabilities would motivate a LOT of people to get boosted or vaccinated.
So why hasn't the CDC done that?
Hint: The CDC hasn't done it because the data doesn't support the "disability from covid" premise.
The CDC has more than enough data to support mass vaccination. The risk of severe, lasting damage from COVID has been proved many times over. There are 1 million dead Americans from COVID.
The CDC has been loudly saying ALL of this for many months. You and others just stopped listening, or never listened in the first place.
The CDC has more than enough data to support mass vaccination. The risk of severe, lasting damage from COVID has been proved many times over. There are 1 million dead Americans from COVID.
The CDC has been loudly saying ALL of this for many months. You and others just stopped listening, or never listened in the first place.
The CDC's protocols for the treatment of Covid are designed to produce "Covid deaths": Administer Remdesivir --> mucus build up in lungs --> put patient on ventilator --> administer Madozilam = RIP.
Tthe actually effective treatments they slander and suppress (ex: Ivermectin + Zinc) are designed to produce "Covid deaths."
The "vaccines" are designed to produce "Covid deaths" and to be written off as "variants" or "Long Covid."
I'm sorry, but anyone giving the slightest bit of trust to the CDC, in late 2022, is a ignorant and/or naive fool.
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Let's accept premise 1 (the rise in disability was caused by covid) and then evaluate it by making the following assumptions. Bear with me. Often you can get a new perspective by looking at something from the opposing point of point.
Assume the following.
1. Covid caused the rise in disability claims.
2. The CDC wants more people to get vaccinated and/or boosted ASAP.
3. The CDC is a competent, professional organization that STRONGLY supports #2 above... getting more people vaccinated.
Now, follow this.
IF the CDC is competent, IF the CDC wants more people to get vaccinated/boosted, and IF Covid is causing the rise in disability claims.... then....
Why isn't the CDC widely, loudly, and daily telling Americans that they MUST get vaccinated because covid is causing millions of disabilities?
Proof of massive covid disabilities would motivate a LOT of people to get boosted or vaccinated.
So why hasn't the CDC done that?
Hint: The CDC hasn't done it because the data doesn't support the "disability from covid" premise.
The CDC has more than enough data to support mass vaccination. The risk of severe, lasting damage from COVID has been proved many times over. There are 1 million dead Americans from COVID.
The CDC has been loudly saying ALL of this for many months. You and others just stopped listening, or never listened in the first place.
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Ya got me. While trying my best to avoid the labyrinth of red tape laid out by the powers that be here, my resources devoted to grammar were sapped and I made an oopsy. Proper grammar is clear communication.
What "old conspiracy theories" are you referencing? People like Dr. Bhakdi, Dr. Michael Yeadon, and other leading doctors/scientists were not anti-vax before the current "vaccines" that are really gene therapy shots.
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BTW, for the conspiracy theorists who said it is a conspiracy theory that the "vaccines" are all EUA, here's Dr. Peter McCullough, who is world class doctor, and trump every corrupt desk jockey at the CDC/FDA:
Joe Rogan With Dr McCullough: “We do not have an FDA Approved Vaccine. Everything is EUA” Full Interview With Joe Rogan December 2021 https://rumble.com/vrq643-joe-rogan-with-dr-peter-mccullough-the-j
Dr. McCullough: "There's No Other Explanation" — The Vaccines are the Causing Death. "They coded the deaths. They said, 'Did the vaccine cause [death] or was there some other cause?' 86% of the time,
I need a little help please. We know obesity increases the risk of covid, right?
So where is the CDC data on deaths by obesity category, i.e., >30 BMI, >40 BMI. What is the relative risk of death from covid due to obesity by age, race, and sex?
All I could find on the CDC site was "obesity increases risk of covid," but then there was no data. The official CDC covid tracker doesn't include any obesity data that I could find.
I need a little help please. We know obesity increases the risk of covid, right?
So where is the CDC data on deaths by obesity category, i.e., >30 BMI, >40 BMI. What is the relative risk of death from covid due to obesity by age, race, and sex?
All I could find on the CDC site was "obesity increases risk of covid," but then there was no data. The official CDC covid tracker doesn't include any obesity data that I could find.
I went to Google Scholar, which 99.9999% of Americans don't use or even know it exists. The data in the first 2-3 studies I saw was all over the place. Mostly, the articles would go into co-morbidities as confounding factors.
I'm looking for something simple and clear like this....
For obesity (BMI >30), the risk of death from covid in the age 18-49 cohort is { insert figure here... 45%, for example...} greater than their normal weight peers. For severe obesity (BMI>40), it's XX%.
I mean, medical charts have weight and height. These numbers should be available with a simple data sort.
From a review article of obesity as a comorbidity to covid severity there's this table of relevant studies, some of which appear to segment degree of obesity:
Recent studies have shown that obesity is associated with the severity of coronavirus disease (COVID-19). We reviewed clinical studies to clarify the obesity relationship with COVID-19 severity, comorbidities, and discussing...
