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I remember some discrepancies in the polls, but I don't remember that one. Which survey was it? I'd like to go back and see it myself. I'll check it out if I have the time, but it would be helpful to know which survey it was in and how it skewed the combined data.

This woman still has the job. Disgraceful and outrageous propaganda, but one year later, she remains in her position at the CDC.

"There is a clear message that is coming through: This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC's director, said at a Friday briefing of the White House COVID-19 Response Team. "Our biggest concern is we are going to continue to see preventable cases, hospitalizations and sadly deaths among the unvaccinated."

npr.org

U.S. COVID Deaths Are Rising Again. Experts Call It A 'Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated'

Reversing a months-long downward trend, deaths from COVID-19 have begun rising steadily this week. More than 99% of the recent fatalities were among people who had not been vaccinated.

Link:www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-...

300k Americans are dead who could have been saved by vaccines. DanM still posts propaganda.

There are people who have been seriously harmed by the vaccine. It's extremely rare.

There are far more people who, for various reasons -usually boring politics and such-, are very emotionally and intellectually invested in the vaccine being more dangerous than "the powers the be" claim it is.

There is no evidence of an increase in disability. Numbers are flat for this year. Wasn't that already discussed in this thread? A lot of 'evidence' is anonymous or unknown 'whistleblowers' making insane claims with no real supporting evidence besides their word. I remember there was some insurance CEO from Ohio claiming that they were seeing insane increases in severe disease among young people. Turns out, he was either wrong or making stuff up and his story faded away.

We have loads of quality, carefully collected data from all over the world. Including countries far more 'Big Pharma' skeptic than the USA. If there were levels of 'vaccine injury' at the scale these grifters are claiming (mainly for attention or money) then it would be immediately obvious. I'll stick to the rigorous evidence, not some random whistleblower who wants their 15 min of fame on a right wing website.

It's painfully obvious the vax didn't do what it was supposed to do. I'd argue it appears it's making things worse. Heavily vaccinated countries are only delaying the inevitable. Until everyone acquires natural immunity we will continue to see waves in the vaccinated. It’s a pandemic of the vaccinated.

No. Whoever you are citing that said this is wrong. That's why you have to look at the data yourself.

I just did a page search for "13" in all five of the Kirsch polls. You (or whoever you are citing) confused a response. Question 17 of the 4July poll asked, "Did any of your household members die from having a Covid infection?" and there were 13 Yes responses. That doesn't mean 13 in one household; it means 13 respondents had a death in THEIR individual household.

Also, there is no question that asks, specifically, how many people live in your household. Question 15 asks about number of people in the household, but the highest response is A5 "8+ other people." So whoever you are citing is just flat wrong.

Although I screened the three newest polls for "13" I haven't reviewed their data yet. What I know is the first three Kirsch polls and the two Zogby polls have similar results on some key questions.

I suggest that you go back and look at these polls again with an open mind.

Typo: all *6* polls.

There was big drop from Dec2021 to Jan2022 that skews the short term data.

Everyone who wanted to get vaccinated got vaccinated in 2021.

You need to look at the numbers in 2021 because that's the big vaccine rollout period. Jan21 to Jan22 was 1.8 million.

Besides, without cherrypicking the start points, it's easy to see the slope is steeply up.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Population - With a Disability, 16 Years and over

Population - With a Disability, 16 Years and over

Link:fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU00074597

Look at an extremely pro-mRNA scientist, who gets paid to fear monger, squirm and wiggle. Has to, of course, throw a bone to hybrid immunity, but, significantly, acknowledge that jabs aren’t working as well as they were thought to or as well as natural immunity.

“Prior infections do clearly play a pivotal role to explain the differences. As we are seeing in Japan currently, where like Australia and New Zealand, there was marked containment of the virus throughout the pandemic until Omicron BA.1 led to a major surge, superseded by a much bigger one with BA.5. The deaths there are still on a sharp rise.”

“No question that population exposure to infections plays a key role, as the people infected with SARS-CoV-2 see the whole virus, not just the spike (as the vaccines provide), and those who also get vaccinated have a potent form of hybrid immunity documented in so many studies.”

“A similar story may help explain the United States handling BA.5 better than may have been predicted from countries in Europe (such as Portugal, Greece, France, UK, Denmark, and others). It uniquely had a major wave of the BA.2.12.1 variant which shares a key spike mutation with BA.4/5 in L452 (Q instead of R) that is not seen in BA.1 or BA.2. The L452 mutation is one that was tied to the biologic properties of Delta, which included its higher pathogenicity. Like the Beta variant mass exposure in South Africa, BA.2.12.1 likely provided some cross-immunity for the subsequent BA.5 wave in the United States.”

“To summarize, the impact of BA.5 that I have described as the worst variant of the pandemic by its biologic properties is seen clinically where there are less intact immunity walls, mostly as a function of prior infections and the type (main variant underpinning) of infections. Our immunity wall in the United States has helped provide a lesser hit of BA.5, now starting to show a plateau of hospitalizations at a level below that of other countries in Europe, even though our vaccination and booster rate in the US is substantially lower than these countries.”

There seems to be a “catch up” period for when claims were low in 2020 due to pandemic operational closures but the current number is exactly on trend with 2010-2019 and consistent with an aging population (and a population with millions of COVID cases but we all know the risk of COVID is nothing compared to the vax…. So it must be the vax.)

That's not what the graph shows. There are about 27,000 claims at the beginning of 2010. Let's carry that to December 2020 (when the vaccine was granted EUA), where there are about 30,000 claims. So there is an increase of 3000 over an 11 year period, or about 270/year. Over the next 20 months, there is an increase of nearly as many claims: 2600 (also, hilarious reference for LRC). The rate about 1560/year, which is nearly 6x.

I'm picking your start point (and your case would be worse if you began either a couple years earlier or later). You can manipulate the data a little by sliding a few months here and there, but none of that is going to change the fact that the increase since the vaccine release is nearly the same to what it was over 11 years. Even if you were granted the catch-up period (and I don't think that's fair since it absorbs the main vaccination timeline), the last 12 months have still shown an increase of 1000 claims, which shatters the growth during your control period.

Joe Biden, even after four covid shots, still is testing positive for covid 15 days after first testing positive. It’s almost as if the covid shot is total and complete sh*t.

That Pfizer Paxlovid crap they gave him seems to ensure another bout of Covid within days

The peak was 31,000. The pandemic had an obvious effect on state function -- hence the drop. So we've seen an increase of 2k in ~ 2 years. That is a bit above trend but not terribly (also we'd need to normalize to age pyramid changes, etc, boomers can't seem to avoid getting old and frail).

I see 27k -> 31k over 10 years = 400/yr

2k/2 = 1k/yr so ~2.5x

Regardless, the increase has been since the pandemic and the vaccine release. One of these things is known to cause moderately frequent lasting effects, especially in populations already susceptible to long-term disabilities. The other is not. One has killed 100ks of Americans verifiably, the other has not.

Looking at this graph and thinking 'vaccine' and not 'COVID' is just staggering bias.

You already posted this? Upset that it's not the bombshell you think it is? Nobody disagrees that hybrid immunity is better than vaccine-alone and infection driven immunity.

Very happy you've come around on this point: "vaccination is an essential part of a competent immune response to COVID."

thaipbsworld.com

Thai health minister catches COVID-19 after overseas trip despite 6 vaccine shots

Kitipat Chuensukjit

Link:www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-health-minis...

Possibly the magic number of shots is 7?

Again, you've cherry-picked to get an absolute peak with 31,000, and it's still 2.5x lower! If you went just a few months before or after, the number would be under 30k and 29k, respectively. Then factor in that disabilities didn't start to rise with the onset of the pandemic, but the onset of the vaccine. April-June 2021 is precisely where the greatest slope is, which was exactly when the majority of Americans received the two shots. There's another big jump from Oct-Dec 2021 when boosters were given.

But even if we ignore all of this and use your cherry-picked stats, we'd still have incredible statistical significance. Even if we buy the stat-warping lull argument, the lines of best fit before and after are not the same.

We now have 8 surveys asking about vaccine damage... 6 commissioned by Kirsch and 2 done by Zogby commissioned by Children's Health Defense. I combined data from 7 of 8 of these surveys and here is what I found.

I looked at 5 of the 6 Kirsch commissioned polls and determined the percentage that reported an adverse event that was "serious" or "very serious." The responses ranged from a low of 2% to a high of 6% with as combined average of 3.9% for the five surveys I looked at.

I next looked at the two Zogby surveys. Zogby asked the question differently. I combined the following three responses into a comparable response: "Severe and still recovering," "serious requiring days to recover or hospitalization," and "life threatening." The Zogby surveys found 4.7% and 7.7% of these responses for a combined average of 6.2%.

Note: The 8th survey did not ask these questions. Instead it asked if the respondent was hospitalized as a result of a vaccine adverse event. The response to this question was 3%.

So we have 7 surveys with a combined 4,300+ participants selected randomly with a range of responses of 2% to 7.7%. Giving each survey equal weight, the average response is 4.5%. That is, 1 in 22 respondents reported a vaccine adverse event that they considered serious to very serious.

Oops, the 8th survey did ask this question, but it was below a lot of other questions. The response rate was 6% for "serious" or "very serious."