Great showing by Mantz. I assume the focus shifted to winning vs time because it mattered more in his contract negotiations. Couldn’t afford to go out too hot and blow up. I hope this gets him the contract he’s looking for.
Great showing by Mantz. I assume the focus shifted to winning vs time because it mattered more in his contract negotiations. Couldn’t afford to go out too hot and blow up. I hope this gets him the contract he’s looking for.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Good performance got the win. Would like him to maybe go for 10K this cycle but after that attack the roads almost exclusively.
Oh, okay. We will make sure we relay your wishes.
Looked like a BYU alumni reunion race. Three in the top four – sheesh!
byumiler wrote:
Nailed it!
1. Mantz
3. Montinez
4. Young
BYU alumni did well today!
Galen ran 1:01.52 in 2021
Anyone see if he was wearing a kit for a new sponsor?
Was wearing an old Nike ELITE Camp singlet.
citius5000 wrote:
Anyone see if he was wearing a kit for a new sponsor?
Chris Chavez just posted on Twitter that Mantz signed with Flynn Sports and Nike. He raced in a Nike kit and Vaporflys.
I'm actually quite surprised he won.
Juice Springsteen wrote:
I'm actually quite surprised he won.
I’m not. HM AR next year, maybe even next race.
Decent result. Not going to scare any elite fields but it's great for him that he has a domestic title to start his career. And a whole 5 seconds quicker than Frank Lara ran in Valencia
High hopes wrote:
Decent result. Not going to scare any elite fields but it's great for him that he has a domestic title to start his career. And a whole 5 seconds quicker than Frank Lara ran in Valencia
Minor detail: A whole 1:24 faster than Frank Lara ran TODAY. If he finished that far ahead of Lara in Valencia, he'd have the American record. Mantz in on another level right now. If he can stay healthy he'll have the record as soon as he has a fast group to pace him.
runnER/DR wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Decent result. Not going to scare any elite fields but it's great for him that he has a domestic title to start his career. And a whole 5 seconds quicker than Frank Lara ran in Valencia
Minor detail: A whole 1:24 faster than Frank Lara ran TODAY. If he finished that far ahead of Lara in Valencia, he'd have the American record. Mantz in on another level right now. If he can stay healthy he'll have the record as soon as he has a fast group to pace him.
Yes, because that's exactly how it works. Why even bother running races? There's honestly nothing dumber than the LRC obsession with the transitive property, which is basically meaningless in a sporting context
Anyone know why Eric Avila DNFed at 20k? Sure he wasn't in for the win, but it's only another kilometer.
High hopes wrote:
runnER/DR wrote:
Minor detail: A whole 1:24 faster than Frank Lara ran TODAY. If he finished that far ahead of Lara in Valencia, he'd have the American record. Mantz in on another level right now. If he can stay healthy he'll have the record as soon as he has a fast group to pace him.
Yes, because that's exactly how it works. Why even bother running races? There's honestly nothing dumber than the LRC obsession with the transitive property, which is basically meaningless in a sporting context
Ok so he wouldn't have clobbered Lara in Valencia even though he was on another level today. Got it.
citius5000 wrote:
Anyone see if he was wearing a kit for a new sponsor?
His IG says he is Nike athletic and former BYU...
runnER/DR wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Decent result. Not going to scare any elite fields but it's great for him that he has a domestic title to start his career. And a whole 5 seconds quicker than Frank Lara ran in Valencia
Minor detail: A whole 1:24 faster than Frank Lara ran TODAY. If he finished that far ahead of Lara in Valencia, he'd have the American record. Mantz in on another level right now. If he can stay healthy he'll have the record as soon as he has a fast group to pace him.
Mantz will be our next US hero to replace Rupp. This is so exciting.
High hopes wrote:
runnER/DR wrote:
Minor detail: A whole 1:24 faster than Frank Lara ran TODAY. If he finished that far ahead of Lara in Valencia, he'd have the American record. Mantz in on another level right now. If he can stay healthy he'll have the record as soon as he has a fast group to pace him.
Yes, because that's exactly how it works. Why even bother running races? There's honestly nothing dumber than the LRC obsession with the transitive property, which is basically meaningless in a sporting context
It's not just one race. He's smashed Lara any time they've raced head to head, and is easily the better runner in any comparison at every level. Both runners at full strength, I'd expect him to aways beat Lara.
Quoting rojo:
rojo wrote:
My God some people on here really don't know the sport. I just read several posts stating that Frank Lara and Mantz are on the "similar levels". Are you people crazy? That's like saying that Tom Brady and Bucs backup QB are at a similar level because they are both in the NFL.
Hot Takes wrote:
Frank and Mantz are similar levels, both around 27:40 for 10,000 meters. Frank had a phenomenal race and was still over a minute off the record with great competition on the fastest course in the world. I'd be shocked if Mantz goes sub 61:00 this weekend, no way he runs the American Record of 59:47 or whatever it is this weekend. I'd say a more reasonable expectation is 61:30 given these circumstances.
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tenkrunner wrote:
He essentially has the same track PRs as Frank Lara and is only a little over a year younger than Frank. Anything around 61 would be successful.
To say that Lara and Mantz are in the similar levels is absurd. Mantz has always shown hiimself to be 7-20 seconds better per mile than Lara. Take 7 seconds per mile off of Lara's half marathon pb of 61:00 and you get 58:29. Take 5 seconds off and you get 59:54. Mantz is capable of breaking 60:00. I'd go farther and say I expect him to do it if it's his number one focus in the next year.
Mantz and Lara raced at Foot Lockers in HS. Mantz was a junior, Lara a senior. Mantz ran 15:23, Lara ran 16:32. Edge Mantz by 20 seconds per mile.
Lara ran NCAA xc and never was All-American and only cracked the top 100 1 time (83rd). Mantz was champ twice, third once and top 10 4 times. Edge Mantz by 15 seconds per mile (80th is normally 15 seconds slower per mile than 1st)
Lara never came close to scoring at NCAAs on the track. HIs best finish was 15th. Mantz was in it to win it last winter and scored two other times.
Mantz raced Lara at the Olympic Trials in the 10,000. Mantz was 5th. Lara was 18th and 46 seconds back (Edge Mantz by 7 second mile) In that race, Mantz beat Galen Rupp.
Lara had a 28:47 college pb. Mantz's pb is 27:41. Edge Mantz by 10 seconds per mile.
Throughout his career, Mantz has shown himself to be far superior to Lara.
BYU is best wrote:
Galen ran 1:01.52 in 2021
Correct. But he also ran 60:22 in a solo time trial in Eugene. Mantz is impressive, but he ain't Galen.
yep23 wrote:
BYU is best wrote:
Galen ran 1:01.52 in 2021
Correct. But he also ran 60:22 in a solo time trial in Eugene. Mantz is impressive, but he ain't Galen.
He isn't Galen, but Rupp stayed on the track for most of his post collegiate career and has eschewed time trial races for placing well at majors on the roads. If Mantz goes straight to the roads and does some time trial style races, I can see him beating Rupps half and full marathon times.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Strava thinks the London Marathon times improved 12 minutes last year thanks to supershoes
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts