RIP: Lamine Diack has died

Diack was a Di_ck

Szolt Bende wrote:

So ends a career of corruption and hubris. I hope the still send his son to prison.

Oh please. Lamine Diack was just a scapegoat. The entire IAAF was corrupt. The IOC is incredibly corrupt as is FIFA and every single global sports organization.

Does anyone believe Diack acted without the knowledge of Seb Coe and the rest of the IAAF?

Then how come the IAAF never showed any intention of investigating?

The only group that investigated Diack was the French authorities.

Eddy Grant wrote:

Szolt Bende wrote:

So ends a career of corruption and hubris. I hope the still send his son to prison.

Oh please. Lamine Diack was just a scapegoat. The entire IAAF was corrupt. The IOC is incredibly corrupt as is FIFA and every single global sports organization.

Does anyone believe Diack acted without the knowledge of Seb Coe and the rest of the IAAF?

Then how come the IAAF never showed any intention of investigating?

The only group that investigated Diack was the French authorities.

Did I say anything to contradict you? I don't think so. I think the entire IAAF leadership should have gone when the shake down scandal came out, regardless of who was actually involved. Having said that, I don't think it is known that Coe knew everything Diack was up to. It is very easy to make that assumption but, frankly, also rather lazy thinking. Diack is the man who laughed when Bolt was disqualified in the WC 100 meter final for a false start. The sport was a joke to him. I am no fan of Coe, but I don't think Athletics is a joke to him, and I don't think he would ever have engaged in shaking down athletes who tested positive. Yes, I know you will call me naive. I just don't happen to believe he would do that. Again--I still think there should have been a complete decapitation at IAAF, including Coe--but that does not mean he did the things that Diack did. There are shades to every story worth distinguishing between.

Why would his son go to prison while the rest of the IAAF including Seb Coe get away scott free?

The man behind Bolt.

Something like that. Diack was the corrupt criminal, and Coe his enabler. A huge opportunity was missed when the IAAF wasn't rebuilt from scratch, and to make matters worse, the VP of the corrupt IAAF promoted to its president.

Now the IAAF won't change for years, if not decades.

Eddy Grant wrote:

Szolt Bende wrote:

So ends a career of corruption and hubris. I hope the still send his son to prison.

Oh please. Lamine Diack was just a scapegoat. The entire IAAF was corrupt. The IOC is incredibly corrupt as is FIFA and every single global sports organization.

Does anyone believe Diack acted without the knowledge of Seb Coe and the rest of the IAAF?

Then how come the IAAF never showed any intention of investigating?

The only group that investigated Diack was the French authorities.

As a matter of fact, the IAAF did investigate. It didn't get much publicity.

After a complaint was submitted to the newly formed IAAF Ethics Commission, they investigated and delivered 3 lifetime bans and a 5-year ban:

Eddy Grant wrote:

Why would his son go to prison while the rest of the IAAF including Seb Coe get away scott free?

Probably the main reason is that only those who commit crimes should go to prison.

After lengthy investigations by the IAAF Ethics Commission, the WADA IC, and even inquiries from a British Parliament Select Committee, there was simply no evidence that Seb Coe, or the "rest of the IAAF", outside of Diack's secret circle, was involved in any criminal activity, nor had any knowledge of crimes being committed.

LOL. Nice try, rekrunner, but, see for example: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/iaaf-could-not-have-been-unaware-of-the-extent-of-doping-in-athletics-claims-second-part-of-wada-report-a6812261.html

Coe just got lucky - very unfortunately for a clean sport - that he was voted president (narrowly beating IAAF's other VP at the time) before all of that came out.

casual obsever wrote:

LOL. Nice try, rekrunner, but, see for example:

LOL. Nice try. What shall I see in these examples? These don't look like any evidence of a crime. There is no crime being aware of the scale or extent of doping. Anyone who read the 2011 IAAF published study would have been reasonably aware of the scale and extent. Technically it's also not a crime to not enforce anti-doping rules. In any case, enforcement would have been the role of the then Medical and Anti-Doping Department, and not the IAAF Council, and according to the lengthy reports, there were several parallel efforts internal to the IAAF applying pressure to ensure that anti-doping rules were being enforced.

Again, responding to the question of whether Coe and others in the IAAF should go to prison, only those who commit crimes should go to prison.

After lengthy investigations by the IAAF Ethics Commission, the WADA IC, a French criminal investigation, and even inquiries from a British Parliament Select Committee, there was simply no evidence that Seb Coe, or the "rest of the IAAF", outside of Diack's secret circle, was involved in any criminal activity, nor had any knowledge of crimes being committed.

rekrunner wrote:

LOL. Nice try. What shall I see in these examples?

How unlikely it is that Coe wasn't aware of Diack's crimes.

rekrunner wrote:

Again, responding to the question of whether Coe and others in the IAAF should go to prison, only those who commit crimes should go to prison.

Depending on the crime (and where you live, for example in Ohio), people do go to prison for being aware of a crime and ignoring it.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

LOL. Nice try. What shall I see in these examples?

How unlikely it is that Coe wasn't aware of Diack's crimes.

rekrunner wrote:

Again, responding to the question of whether Coe and others in the IAAF should go to prison, only those who commit crimes should go to prison.

Depending on the crime (and where you live, for example in Ohio), people do go to prison for being aware of a crime and ignoring it.

Considering all of the information in all of the reports, it seems rather unlikely he would have been aware of any crime.

This double negative statement seems to have caused some great confusion, as most everyone interpreted it to mean something substantial. The observation here was about scale and enforcement of anti-doping. These are not crimes. It also doesn't mention Diack or Coe.

Much has been made about this double negative phrase which, when cancelling the negatives (i.e. “could have been aware”), simply says that the WADA IC believed that some on the Council must have known that cases existed in Russia where the anti-doping rules weren’t being enforced. Fueled by a British press, leading the ill-informed masses, many wanted to believe, and some apparently still want to believe, this meant every member of the whole council was aware of bribery and extortion, as if it were published in the weekly minutes and newsletters.

What did Richard Pound think?

“Coe’s record speaks pretty well for itself, especially in generating enthusiasm for the London bid, leading the successful campaign, and then being the public face and motivator of the organising committee. I think he could do the same for the IAAF,”

“It cannot seriously be suggested that members of the IAAF Council were aware of the special arrangements with Russia that were entered into by the IAAF president and his inner circle.”

“I can’t think of anyone better than Lord Coe to deal with the problems.”

“My assessment of Lord Coe is that if he knew there was corruption going on, he would have done something about it”

Who would know better than Pound? British journalists? Outsiders like Ashenden and Parisotto? Parliamentary politicians like Damien Collins? Scientific skeptics like Ross Tucker? “casual obsever”?

when rekrunner is apologising for you its time to go.

go. rhymes with coe.

pupil3142 wrote:

when rekrunner is apologising for you its time to go.

go. rhymes with coe.

Huh? I didn’t give any apologies, but quoted statements of personal endorsement from the chief investigator.

I provided similar quotes back in 2016, when the WADA IC exonerated the IAAF from the claims of journalists and the Australian scientists.