original liar soorer wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Regarding transgender athletes, hard and fast rules have already been chiseled out. Who is rethinking this issue and what power do they have to effect change?
I found this link provided of interest.
https://youtu.be/QSKjyK74j1A
Her enlightening video has had 2.7K views. I'm curious as to how you came across it.
Run ragged posted it.
Previously to all this I had never worked out why the feminist movement was so anti trans.My stupid but then why should I.
How this will spin off into sport I am not sure but the non mainstream feminists may well join with mainstream society and stop trans in woman’s sport.
Certainly a debate well above the trite.
Thomas returns to the pool this Saturday at noon in a home meet against Dartmouth and Yale. Just a few days ago, Penn announced that their winter sports will continue without any spectators. Eliminates any possibility of booing or a team protest in front of the public.
Curious how many people can pick out Thomas in this photo in less than 3 seconds.
Some fine women in that photo, not including Sasquatch in the back.
Not long ago Spain’s communist / anarchist Minister of Equality, Comrade Irene, announced that any Spanish citizen will be able to change his/her/their legal gender by a simple declaration, and all records – national identity card, driver’s license, passport, medical records, etc. – will be revised to reflect this new identity. Spanish athletes will be able to compete in the category of their gender identity.
Now some Spanish regional governments have instituted a policy of menstrual leave for those with painful periods. The law covers XX females and trans males, who presumably still get periods. So now we have:
Juana was born a female.
Juana became Juan.
But Juan still gets periods.
So for menstrual leave, he is a woman. (Only women get periods, right?)
When he goes back to the office, he becomes a man again.
Life can be complicated!
The Ivy League has issued a statement in defense of Lia.
https://twitter.com/harvardcrimson/status/1479166686389489669
I'm concerned about them including all of the language condeming transphobia. I sure hope they don't think people saying "This shouldn't be allowed" is transphobic or discrimination.
At Letsrun, we have the policy of requiring people to refer to Lia as she/her if she wants to be called that as a sign of courtesy. It's just like if someone's real name is Robert but they want to be called Bob. Technically it's not their legal name but common courtesy says to call someone what they want to be called.
However, I sure hope they don't think it's transphobic if you say, "The NCAA transgender policy is a joke."
I believe a person who has had the benefit of testes in puberty should never be allowed to compete in elite women's sports.
One of the more disconcerting things in the 21st century is the increase in labelling arguments one doesn't agree with as racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic, etc. I really hope the Ivy League isn't implying those opposed to Lia's participation are transphobic or discriminatory
Lia is a transgender woman. She isn't a biological woman and that's who elite women's sports should be in my opinion.
I"m a male, but I'm not a high school male and shouldn't be allowed to compete in high school boys sports.
rojo wrote:
I'm concerned about them including all of the language condeming transphobia. I sure hope they don't think people saying "This shouldn't be allowed" is transphobic.
They didn't say that in their statement.
rojo wrote:
The Ivy League has issued a statement in defense of Lia.
https://twitter.com/harvardcrimson/status/1479166686389489669I'm concerned about them including all of the language condeming transphobia. I sure hope they don't think people saying "This shouldn't be allowed" is transphobic or discrimination.
At Letsrun, we have the policy of requiring people to refer to Lia as she/her if she wants to be called that as a sign of courtesy. It's just like if someone's real name is Robert but they want to be called Bob. Technically it's not their legal name but common courtesy says to call someone what they want to be called.
However, I sure hope they don't think it's transphobic if you say, "The NCAA transgender policy is a joke."
I believe a person who has had the benefit of testes in puberty should never be allowed to compete in elite women's sports.
One of the more disconcerting things in the 21st century is the increase in labelling arguments one doesn't agree with as racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic, etc. I really hope the Ivy League isn't implying those opposed to Lia's participation are transphobic or discriminatory
Lia is a transgender woman. She isn't a biological woman and that's who elite women's sports should be in my opinion.
I"m a male, but I'm not a high school male and shouldn't be allowed to compete in high school boys sports.
Problem is that there is a serious position within the trans movement that does indeed think that such is transphobic as it denies full development and expression of the trans philosophy. This is such no matter how supportive you are of trans outside of sport.
rojo wrote:
The Ivy League has issued a statement in defense of Lia.
https://twitter.com/harvardcrimson/status/1479166686389489669I'm concerned about them including all of the language condeming transphobia. I sure hope they don't think people saying "This shouldn't be allowed" is transphobic or discrimination.
At Letsrun, we have the policy of requiring people to refer to Lia as she/her if she wants to be called that as a sign of courtesy. It's just like if someone's real name is Robert but they want to be called Bob. Technically it's not their legal name but common courtesy says to call someone what they want to be called.
However, I sure hope they don't think it's transphobic if you say, "The NCAA transgender policy is a joke."
I believe a person who has had the benefit of testes in puberty should never be allowed to compete in elite women's sports.
One of the more disconcerting things in the 21st century is the increase in labelling arguments one doesn't agree with as racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic, etc. I really hope the Ivy League isn't implying those opposed to Lia's participation are transphobic or discriminatory
Lia is a transgender woman. She isn't a biological woman and that's who elite women's sports should be in my opinion.
I"m a male, but I'm not a high school male and shouldn't be allowed to compete in high school boys sports.
With all due respect, I think there is a critical difference between calling someone by their desired pronoun and their desired name.
Pronouns necessarily imply gender, which is part of a persons eternal identity given by God. The biblical view is that God created people “male and female”. Forcing someone to use someone’s desired pronoun instead of the persons genuine identity is to force that person to lie.
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RunRagged wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
They didn't say that in their statement.
The statement says:
The Ivy League reaffirms its unwavering commitment to providing an inclusive environment for all student-athletes while condemning transphobia and discrimination in any form.
https://twitter.com/IvyLeague/status/1479165876007886852?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
They said they were committed to inclusive environment, and also said they were against transphobia and discrimination. They did NOT say disagreeing with them on the first point automatically makes you transphobic.
the world turned upside down wrote:
Thomas returns to the pool this Saturday at noon in a home meet against Dartmouth and Yale. Just a few days ago, Penn announced that their winter sports will continue without any spectators. Eliminates any possibility of booing or a team protest in front of the public.
Curious how many people can pick out Thomas in this photo in less than 3 seconds.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/12/pennswimdive-instagram-lia-thomas.jpg?quality=90&strip=all
That Adam's apple shines like a beacon.
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
RunRagged wrote:
The statement says:
The Ivy League reaffirms its unwavering commitment to providing an inclusive environment for all student-athletes while condemning transphobia and discrimination in any form.
https://twitter.com/IvyLeague/status/1479165876007886852?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwThey said they were committed to inclusive environment, and also said they were against transphobia and discrimination. They did NOT say disagreeing with them on the first point automatically makes you transphobic.
From Trans thinking it does follow automatically.
2099 wrote:
rojo wrote:
The Ivy League has issued a statement in defense of Lia.
https://twitter.com/harvardcrimson/status/1479166686389489669I'm concerned about them including all of the language condeming transphobia. I sure hope they don't think people saying "This shouldn't be allowed" is transphobic or discrimination.
At Letsrun, we have the policy of requiring people to refer to Lia as she/her if she wants to be called that as a sign of courtesy. It's just like if someone's real name is Robert but they want to be called Bob. Technically it's not their legal name but common courtesy says to call someone what they want to be called.
However, I sure hope they don't think it's transphobic if you say, "The NCAA transgender policy is a joke."
I believe a person who has had the benefit of testes in puberty should never be allowed to compete in elite women's sports.
One of the more disconcerting things in the 21st century is the increase in labelling arguments one doesn't agree with as racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic, etc. I really hope the Ivy League isn't implying those opposed to Lia's participation are transphobic or discriminatory
Lia is a transgender woman. She isn't a biological woman and that's who elite women's sports should be in my opinion.
I"m a male, but I'm not a high school male and shouldn't be allowed to compete in high school boys sports.
With all due respect, I think there is a critical difference between calling someone by their desired pronoun and their desired name.
Pronouns necessarily imply gender, which is part of a persons eternal identity given by God. The biblical view is that God created people “male and female”. Forcing someone to use someone’s desired pronoun instead of the persons genuine identity is to force that person to lie.
God has too many spokespersons. All volunteers. All strange.
So what's the over/under on this narcissistic, self-centered jerk breaking the women's record?
Lia Thomas, the transgender University of Pennsylvania swimmer who has set women’s swimming records this season after previously competing as a male, was defeated in two events on Saturday — by another transgender athlete.
The whole thing is just absurd.
Is this transgender thing some new form of mental retardation?
Just Penn being Penn
So now, the University of Pennsylvania (Lia Thomas’ alma mater, in case anyone missed it) is explaining how a recent graduate exaggerated, invented and outright lied on her Rhodes Scholarship application. (She was awarded the Rhodes but later declined the scholarship under pressure. See below).
It seems that – among many unlikely allegations, she stated on her application that she was a first generation college student. That is, she was the first in her family to go to college.
Now the fun begins. When it was pointed out that her mother is a practicing medical doctor, Penn bent rhetoric until it looked like a pretzel. First, the university says, this refers to “the first of a family to attend an elite college.” When that didn’t fly, good old Penn accepted the young woman’s explanation that “I identify as a FGLI (first generation, low income) student,” her mother’s six figure income as a radiologist notwithstanding. When this was pointed out, the student claimed to consider herself “a family of one,” so her parents’ incomes don’t count.
So, done deal! If we are swimmers or scholars, at least at Penn we just have to identify
as something we are not. Case closed!
In all seriousness that’s an embarrassment of an organization. Their own faculty is destroying their credibility as a school.
