UPenn swimmer comes out as trans / switches to women's team after competing on men's team for 3 years and is dominating NCAA

Complete joke.

But, until biological females actually get organized and say "no"...

So who's more mentally ill?

The people doing it or the people allowing it?

Apply as needed to other current events.

OP should "MAN UP" 😂 🤭

To be fair, how good was she in the past as a male? If Will Thomas vs. men and Lia Thomas vs. women had similar relative ranks, then I'd say this is an excellent case and point for the trans advocates. If on the other hand, Will Thomas was a middle of the pack guy and Lia is crushing it, then it makes the point that most people on here have intuited for some time.

surveysays wrote:

runnER/DR wrote:

Why does the source of testosterone matter? It's effect is what matters.

If it didn’t matter then you would have stated it accurately like the other thread on the subject.

There are many things we take for granted and don't question. But if you put them in a different light, it makes you re-evaluate them. In a way, the OP gave the simplest explanation for what Lia Thomas is doing without rationalizing. Hearing someone had a testosterone advantage for years sounds horrific, but throw in the transgender word and then suddenly, "Oh, then THAT's OK." Why?

Dewey Welll wrote:

“Being trans has not affected my ability to do this sport and being able to continue is very rewarding,” Thomas told Penn Today."

What a self-centered, selfish, delusional person. No on, but NO ONE says you can't continue to compete with men-your true sex. However, he wants to beat up on women and, not only brag about it, but get "rewarded" for it. He is sick, but not as sick as those who support it.

I 100% agree. It's all about her.

Guess what Ms Thomas? You can still swim on your own - you don't need to be in the NCAA.

And the problem is the NCAA. Unlike the IOC, the guidelines are a joke. You just have to be on testosterone reducing medication for a year - there is no limit you have to get under. A trans athlete admitted to me that it was a joke and could easily result in domination.

Personally, I think it's simple. If you have or ever have had testest - internal or external - you compete in the men's open category. If you don't, then you can compete in the women's category.

If we want to use different names. So be it.

Are we just treating gender reassignment like the transfer portal now?

At the vrey least, there should be a rule that if you've competed under one gender, you can't switch during your eligibility.

rewgefvd wrote:

Complete joke.

But, until biological females actually get organized and say "no"...

There are no unions in NCAA swimming so some type of boycott will never happen. Swimmers train hard and if they have the fitness to set PRs there's no way they're going to scratch from a race because they might get pushed back a place. She's not likely to be in the top 10 at NCAAs so why would the top swimmers refuse to compete?

It's likely there would be penalties from the NCAA for refusing to compete against an eligible athlete and it's not a given that the schools will support any boycotting athletes.

A boycott makes sense to you but it would be self-destructive for the athletes. If there's going to be a change in NCAA rules is going to have to be through a legal process.

the world turned upside down wrote:

It is only a matter of time before a man competing as a woman defeats a major American female star athlete on the Olympic stage in front of a huge American audience. It will take a man beating Katie Ledecky, Sydney McLaughlin, Simone Biles (although I doubt a man could beat a woman in women's gymnastics any more than a woman could beat a man in men's gymnastics), Mikaela Shiffrin, Serena Williams, or some other famous American woman for people to wake up. Some guy swimming on the UPenn swim team isn't even a slight ripple in the water. A man beating Ledecky in Paris would be a tsunami and will bring about a return to common sense.

At least there is no risk for a competitor getting her skull fractured in swimming, unlike MMA and Fallon Fox.

You’d think that would be the outcome, but when that day finally comes and we have a freak atop the podium, the will be a hero, not a villain.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Being forced to compete with men in sports is a violation of womens rights.

You wanted liberal and Godless policies, and not you have them..enjoy

rojo wrote:

Guess what Ms Thomas? You can still swim on your own - you don't need to be in the NCAA.

And the problem is the NCAA. Unlike the IOC, the guidelines are a joke. You just have to be on testosterone reducing medication for a year - there is no limit you have to get under. A trans athlete admitted to me that it was a joke and could easily result in domination.

Personally, I think it's simple. If you have or ever have had testest - internal or external - you compete in the men's open category. If you don't, then you can compete in the women's category.

So trans men (F -> M) should be in the womens? They'll certainly be granted a TUE for testosterone. At the moment, for every Lia Thomas entering the womens there's a transman who's not there because he's in the mens.

If you say trans men should be in the mens and trans women also have to be in the mens?? How's that a fair scenario? It's almost like a one-drop rule, any gender non-conformity and you're out of the women's club. A backwards step imo.

There's no way every trans woman is going to identify themselves as trans just to be in sports. There's many who just live their lives quietly as women and you don't even notice when you walk passed them.

The thing is that these campuses are such an insane asylum that the female athletes are powerless to stand up for themselves. If they do they get mob by a statistically small but loud group of zealots who accuse them of bigotry and genocide and their university administration will not srand up for them. This is classic bullying in every respect.

Thomas is a selfish, self-absorbed piece of garbage.

astro wrote:

The thing is that these campuses are such an insane asylum that the female athletes are powerless to stand up for themselves. If they do they get mob by a statistically small but loud group of zealots who accuse them of bigotry and genocide and their university administration will not srand up for them. This is classic bullying in every respect.

Thomas is a selfish, self-absorbed piece of garbage.

You might want to check a dictionary for the meaning of "genocide".

Nope. That's the type of insane rhetoric you see. So saying a simple, innocuous truth equals bigotry, which equals violence, which equals whatever. Not my hyperbolic nonsense.

[quote]came to say wrote:

People on the left are the most evil despicable people in the world.

I am an actual Leftie.

Don't call these psychos left.

They are fake left.

astro wrote:

Nope. That's the type of insane rhetoric you see. So saying a simple, innocuous truth equals bigotry, which equals violence, which equals whatever. Not my hyperbolic nonsense.

There's going to be just about a zero reaction to a female athlete athlete saying that transgender athletes has an unfair advantage in sports and millions of people have done just that. I don't believe there was any reaction at all to Vickie Hubers's essay on the topic. If an athlete boycotts a race or initiates a lawsuit, then they become fair game for public opinion.

I remember when this whole “gender is relative” nonsense got going a few years back the defenders of said gender fluid theory would dismiss those who pointed out this theory could present a problem for real female athletes when put into practice. It was dismissed as a “slippery slope argument” or “Such a small percentage of people will switch genders it won’t effect female athletes”.

Well, here it is.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

astro wrote:

Nope. That's the type of insane rhetoric you see. So saying a simple, innocuous truth equals bigotry, which equals violence, which equals whatever. Not my hyperbolic nonsense.

There's going to be just about a zero reaction to a female athlete athlete saying that transgender athletes has an unfair advantage in sports and millions of people have done just that. I don't believe there was any reaction at all to Vickie Hubers's essay on the topic. If an athlete boycotts a race or initiates a lawsuit, then they become fair game for public opinion.

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